QF LH CC going to the A380??
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QF LH CC going to the A380??
Just wondering if any of you are considering the move?
More work for less pay with only two [three?] destinations?
I've done a "for" and "against" list.
Does anyone else have any thoughts..........?
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For-
1. Interesting new aircraft with associated professional challenges.
2. Long slips initially until aircraft numbers increase.
3. You can come back.
Against-
1. More hours.
2. Less pay.
3. No long range allowance [top up pay may make up for this but who would know?
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4. Boredom/groundhog day developing quickly with just two destinations.
5. "Clicky" nature developing amongst the crew due to the group's small number [think Melbourne
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6. Large proportion of FA's will be new AND generation Y.
7. Being under the spotlight from CC management.
8. Potential that all on board managers will be both new and dangerously "enthusiastic". The type who are out there now changing the world by creating friction, tension and disharmony upline.
9. Whacko jacko aka the terminator aka the kiwi sociopath is personally involved.
10 Buenos Aires is just the first "new" destination to be freed up by the dugong. What'll be next? Paris, Rome, Dubai? The 744s are going to go somewhere??
More work for less pay with only two [three?] destinations?
I've done a "for" and "against" list.
Does anyone else have any thoughts..........?
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For-
1. Interesting new aircraft with associated professional challenges.
2. Long slips initially until aircraft numbers increase.
3. You can come back.
Against-
1. More hours.
2. Less pay.
3. No long range allowance [top up pay may make up for this but who would know?
]4. Boredom/groundhog day developing quickly with just two destinations.
5. "Clicky" nature developing amongst the crew due to the group's small number [think Melbourne
]6. Large proportion of FA's will be new AND generation Y.
7. Being under the spotlight from CC management.
8. Potential that all on board managers will be both new and dangerously "enthusiastic". The type who are out there now changing the world by creating friction, tension and disharmony upline.
9. Whacko jacko aka the terminator aka the kiwi sociopath is personally involved.
10 Buenos Aires is just the first "new" destination to be freed up by the dugong. What'll be next? Paris, Rome, Dubai? The 744s are going to go somewhere??
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9. Whacko jacko aka the terminator aka the kiwi sociopath is personally involved.
10 Buenos Aires is just the first "new" destination to be freed up by the dugong. What'll be next? Paris, Rome, Dubai? The 744s are going to go somewhere??
10 Buenos Aires is just the first "new" destination to be freed up by the dugong. What'll be next? Paris, Rome, Dubai? The 744s are going to go somewhere??
One,I don't want to have a thing to do with that guy
Two,like you said this will free up new slip ports for the 400.
Plus,having a roster that I have a say in is important to me
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A No Brainer
The 744 forever.
The A380 will always be limited to high traffic destinations..LHR,JNB,LAX.
No Roster,No seniority.
Not for this little black duck.
The A380 will always be limited to high traffic destinations..LHR,JNB,LAX.
No Roster,No seniority.
Not for this little black duck.
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It's fairly obvious that the entire A380 show has been designed to keep as many existing crew out as possible by making it as unattractive as they could make it.
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The danger of course being that the conditions offered won't attract enough experienced crew to ensure a smooth and seamless startup
They will get some existing crew because some crew will always want to operate any new aircraft but the question is how many?
Wait for the ineviteable ads in the CC news asking/imploring for experienced crew with some sweetener added such as a shorter contract time than the posted 2 years.
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Number 9 kills it for me.
I've never met a more repulsive human being, the thought of whom makes my skin crawl.
What is it with the way he wears his trousers? Puke.
11. The thought that you will have to operate with the brother of Ahmed?
I've never met a more repulsive human being, the thought of whom makes my skin crawl.
What is it with the way he wears his trousers? Puke.
11. The thought that you will have to operate with the brother of Ahmed?
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hmmm... just a thought... A380 although less pay (but there is make up pay which hopefully suffices) there are crew in LH that are not senior enough to get LAX, LHR's because they have come over from other divisions over the last few years... if that's the case, the an a380 contract MAY seem pretty attractive, considering their chances of being promoted to CSM and CSS which is a higher pay scale than FA anyway. but wouldn't get that if they stayed on the 744's
just a thought
just a thought
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Interesting point re promotion.
I guess once two years are up and I assume most of the existing longhaul CSMs and CSSs have returned there will be a chance for promotion.
Would've thought however that the same opportunities would exist without having to go to the A380 with it's limited destinations and extra hours?
I guess once two years are up and I assume most of the existing longhaul CSMs and CSSs have returned there will be a chance for promotion.
Would've thought however that the same opportunities would exist without having to go to the A380 with it's limited destinations and extra hours?
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I was under the impression that going over to A380 you don't have to do your time for promotion and it's merit based.. i stand corrected if this is not the case, just how i read it.
In saying that, I have met the time requirements for promotion to CSS and in another year will have achieved the time for CSM, but just haven't got off my lazy ass to do anything about it.
In saying that, I have met the time requirements for promotion to CSS and in another year will have achieved the time for CSM, but just haven't got off my lazy ass to do anything about it.
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speedbirdhouse... it isn't only promotion but if you think about it, someone that has been in long haul say.. 18 months... how often would they get a LAX or LHR unless they are dumped.... It would be nice for 2 years to work on those patterns which have nice allowances... and then come back into long haul and by then hopefully with that many QCCA crew online i might actually get more than PER returns.... see what i mean.
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If the A380 is crewed predominantly by ex MAM, they are all very experienced. Remember they were all B First and Team Leader (CSS) trained for international operations at shorthaul.
Whether on the 380, or not, I think you'll see them get employed, and straight to CSS/CSM within weeks.
Whether on the 380, or not, I think you'll see them get employed, and straight to CSS/CSM within weeks.
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I wouldnt exactly say ex MAM crew were BFirst trained. Maybe a bit of heads up on J class international and some are quite experienced but compared to the long haul training short haul crew's training fell well short.
QFboi_MEL
If that was me in that position I would be signing up for the A380 today.
QFboi_MEL
If that was me in that position I would be signing up for the A380 today.
It seems to be a common management tack these days.
If you want to work on our newest shinyest bits of gear, you'll have take a pay cut and work more.
This is engagement of staff.
If you want to work on our newest shinyest bits of gear, you'll have take a pay cut and work more.
This is engagement of staff.
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says it all
but qf cabin crew management does not care what impact this may have on the product. they have set up a newy (GM)to run it with the person of kiwi descent no one wants anything to do with to lend a hand. this says it all in case something goes wrong, (and it will) they are easy scape goats. hopefully the faaa then gets of its a** and renegotiate better conditons/access for lh transferees.
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Whako Jacko, Speedbird u nailed it!
Whilst this bloke, sorry joke, has anything at all to do with the A380 i personally will have nothing to do with it.
Someone help me a little here. How can this absolute certifiable still be in the position he is!. The ever increasing cock ups stemming from mismanaged situations that he has had direct involvement with would not be tolerated in any other organisation, not for a minute.
Speed, your #9 reason is my #1 reason for deciding not to pursue the A380 avenue.
Funny isnt it that management wish to have experienced crew to take the big thing out, problem is that anyone with experience has also had experience with Whako Jacko!. Its a no brainer.
Someone help me a little here. How can this absolute certifiable still be in the position he is!. The ever increasing cock ups stemming from mismanaged situations that he has had direct involvement with would not be tolerated in any other organisation, not for a minute.
Speed, your #9 reason is my #1 reason for deciding not to pursue the A380 avenue.
Funny isnt it that management wish to have experienced crew to take the big thing out, problem is that anyone with experience has also had experience with Whako Jacko!. Its a no brainer.
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remember
b8 you work for QF. there is a history of ongoing stuff ups and that usually gets you a promotion. as you would know there are so many committies. my favorite saying once again.
as an individual they cant make a decision but as a committee they can decide nothing can be done!!!!!!!
as an individual they cant make a decision but as a committee they can decide nothing can be done!!!!!!!
