Instructing to CHRT in the "Bush"?? Is it possible??
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Instructing to CHRT in the "Bush"?? Is it possible??
Im a Junior G3 instructor in the city with about 350hrs TT mainly on C172/182 and 0 twin hrs doing 2-3 hrs a day and im loving every minute but thinking long term about career and what is going to be best.
Just after any info from those in the know because Im the first to admit that my knowledge and experience is pretty limited (having done all my training from ab-initio to Instructor rating and now instructing out of same school at same airport).
Hyperthetically would someone in my position MAYBE get CHRT work in WA or NT?
I know that most CHRT guys are of the opinion that instructing is the lowest form of aviation. Even if i found $$ to do twin rating IFR etc i know that im gonna have to start at the bottom and that it would be a long time before i would even be allowed to wash a twin. But theoretically would i find something (and how hard would i have to look) driving a single initially? From there how does the food chain work to get twin hours in CHTR in WA NT etc?
Im always looking at job ads and the min requirements but i know that alot
of work in the "bush" is through word of mouth and just being in the right place at right time. What i cant work out is how a CHTR operator out of Kunnanurra is asking for 300-500 multi to fly a C310 when REX and Qantaslink are only asking the same or less as an FO on a Saab or Dash 8??
I realise that i need twin Hrs to go anywhere but what im trying to work out is, if it is going to be worth going bush to get twin hrs and if this is even possible from where i am or have i sealed my fate by going down the instructing road?
Any info or opinions would be much appreciated.
Just after any info from those in the know because Im the first to admit that my knowledge and experience is pretty limited (having done all my training from ab-initio to Instructor rating and now instructing out of same school at same airport).
Hyperthetically would someone in my position MAYBE get CHRT work in WA or NT?
I know that most CHRT guys are of the opinion that instructing is the lowest form of aviation. Even if i found $$ to do twin rating IFR etc i know that im gonna have to start at the bottom and that it would be a long time before i would even be allowed to wash a twin. But theoretically would i find something (and how hard would i have to look) driving a single initially? From there how does the food chain work to get twin hours in CHTR in WA NT etc?
Im always looking at job ads and the min requirements but i know that alot
of work in the "bush" is through word of mouth and just being in the right place at right time. What i cant work out is how a CHTR operator out of Kunnanurra is asking for 300-500 multi to fly a C310 when REX and Qantaslink are only asking the same or less as an FO on a Saab or Dash 8??
I realise that i need twin Hrs to go anywhere but what im trying to work out is, if it is going to be worth going bush to get twin hrs and if this is even possible from where i am or have i sealed my fate by going down the instructing road?
Any info or opinions would be much appreciated.
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Mate you are in a fantastic position at the moment - you've got more than a basic CPL and the industry is the best it's ever been. If you can get your hands on some time in a C206 or C210 you'll be absolutely laughing, even without 200 time, you're still in a good position.
Nobody is going to hand you a job the minute you rock up, but if you've got a little bit of money saved up for a trip up north, i really don't think you'll regret it.
Your best bet is to go up north and do a dry season in singles, you'll get laid off over the wet, which is a perfect time to do that CIR/ME, come back and do another season in Singles and half way through you'll more than likely find yourself in that twin job you dream of.
The instructor rating hasn't sealed your fate, but just realise it's not going to be too much use to you as a Junior Grade 3... you may be better off hanging on to get a G2 or a G1. Ultimately you're going to need to go bush though, so its up to you when you do it. If you're heart isn't in instructing and the airlines is where you want to be, go now... don't waste your students money with an instructor who doesnt want to be there. If you love instructing as you say then stick it out for a G2 or a G1 then look at going bush.
My 2 cents..
Nobody is going to hand you a job the minute you rock up, but if you've got a little bit of money saved up for a trip up north, i really don't think you'll regret it.
Your best bet is to go up north and do a dry season in singles, you'll get laid off over the wet, which is a perfect time to do that CIR/ME, come back and do another season in Singles and half way through you'll more than likely find yourself in that twin job you dream of.
The instructor rating hasn't sealed your fate, but just realise it's not going to be too much use to you as a Junior Grade 3... you may be better off hanging on to get a G2 or a G1. Ultimately you're going to need to go bush though, so its up to you when you do it. If you're heart isn't in instructing and the airlines is where you want to be, go now... don't waste your students money with an instructor who doesnt want to be there. If you love instructing as you say then stick it out for a G2 or a G1 then look at going bush.
My 2 cents..
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you'll get laid off over the wet
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"mattm" you will probably be one of the last true aviators,( I envy you in some ways) keep the interest alive with the knowledge that yr buddies in here are giving you good advice to head up NTH. (if you can) With the way things are going these days with the Multi Crew pilots License the days of 'real' flying will be just read in the history books !
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Cheers for the info so far but keep it coming.
I probably should have made myself a little clearer.
The truth of the matter is that im really not sure sure where i went to end up. Instructing is great and im not just in it for the hour building i really do enjoy it but there is only so long that you can live on GA instructor wages, especially if you want to one day end up having family, house etc etc. Its just a fact of life i guess and its been like that for a long time before i was around and ive know that from the day i did my TIF.
The other guys who are G1 and G2 (at least where i am working) are making slightly better money but there is very limited potential for twin/IFR hours. Basically i dont want to be two years down the track with 2000 hrs but all single engine VFR, which if i stay where i am is what is prob gonna happen. Would that be wasted time?
I know that there are plenty of jobs for G2 and G1 instructors at the moment and that twin hours may be easier to get instructing else where but i dont know if it would come more quickly and be dare i say it "better" experience if i went bush.
I keep reading in all these posts from what sound like fairly experienced and senior pilots about how people need "real world" experienece. I want to get "real world" experienece but i guess its that age old question of what background is going to put you in the best position? Going bush or instructing?
Would be interested to hear about the way others have done it. PM is fine. Basically feel free to blow your own trumpet and tell me how you got where you are.
I probably should have made myself a little clearer.
The truth of the matter is that im really not sure sure where i went to end up. Instructing is great and im not just in it for the hour building i really do enjoy it but there is only so long that you can live on GA instructor wages, especially if you want to one day end up having family, house etc etc. Its just a fact of life i guess and its been like that for a long time before i was around and ive know that from the day i did my TIF.
The other guys who are G1 and G2 (at least where i am working) are making slightly better money but there is very limited potential for twin/IFR hours. Basically i dont want to be two years down the track with 2000 hrs but all single engine VFR, which if i stay where i am is what is prob gonna happen. Would that be wasted time?
I know that there are plenty of jobs for G2 and G1 instructors at the moment and that twin hours may be easier to get instructing else where but i dont know if it would come more quickly and be dare i say it "better" experience if i went bush.
I keep reading in all these posts from what sound like fairly experienced and senior pilots about how people need "real world" experienece. I want to get "real world" experienece but i guess its that age old question of what background is going to put you in the best position? Going bush or instructing?
Would be interested to hear about the way others have done it. PM is fine. Basically feel free to blow your own trumpet and tell me how you got where you are.
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What i cant work out is how a CHTR operator out of Kunnanurra is asking for 300-500 multi to fly a C310 when REX and Qantaslink are only asking the same or less as an FO on a Saab or Dash 8??
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Definitely head north mate, you will be in the same position as you are in now when you hit 1500hrs as an instructor with no twin time. Better to make the move sooner rather than later if you heart isn't in it. Be prepared for some operators to take a look at your resume- see that you have no real world charter experience- and assume you are a 200hr pilot.
As long as you head north with the right attitude- as in accepting a new way of doing things and being positive- then you will fit in fine. In my experience it is the instructors which think they are gods gift, and try to teach their ICUS captains
how to fly the aircraft that they are doing ICUS on, are the ones that spoil it for the rest.
The way it is at the moment- if you get in with a company with 210's and a few twins (barons/310's and chieftains/402's) you will be flying the latter by the time you have 1000hrs. How long that takes depends on how many hours the operator does, but its a pretty good time to be moving up the ranks.
All the best
As long as you head north with the right attitude- as in accepting a new way of doing things and being positive- then you will fit in fine. In my experience it is the instructors which think they are gods gift, and try to teach their ICUS captains
how to fly the aircraft that they are doing ICUS on, are the ones that spoil it for the rest. The way it is at the moment- if you get in with a company with 210's and a few twins (barons/310's and chieftains/402's) you will be flying the latter by the time you have 1000hrs. How long that takes depends on how many hours the operator does, but its a pretty good time to be moving up the ranks.
All the best
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what,where and how many times during the wet?
Bugrit! I must have missed it.
Come North, we all start small and end, (with muchwork, hardship and help) in a job you enjoy. These boards are full of stories of drivers who have done the yards and made it, be it GA or Airlines.
Chartair, Hardy's just to name two. Be prepared to do the hard yards, maintain an attitude that will not single you out as a knob and you probably will get that job .......and probably laid during the wet!
Bugrit! I must have missed it.
Come North, we all start small and end, (with muchwork, hardship and help) in a job you enjoy. These boards are full of stories of drivers who have done the yards and made it, be it GA or Airlines.
Chartair, Hardy's just to name two. Be prepared to do the hard yards, maintain an attitude that will not single you out as a knob and you probably will get that job .......and probably laid during the wet!
