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Gidday Icarus,
judging by those numbers, you must be on the sustaining fleet, or "Klub Klassic"
(similar to Klub Jetstream, before they got rid of them). I'm sure you know as well as I do, that the rosters you're getting at the moment are neither "normal", nor sustainable long term.
Dr. Evil and Mini Me would be secretly spewing that you guys aren't as productive as you normally are
I guess what I'm saying is that as soon as things pick up, you'll be back to the regular high hours/no life work patterns. I still have copies of some of my old rosters under the present EBA. Never had less than 55hrs flying and always close to max fortnightly duty. (Including "Admin" over at the Evil Empire)
I suspect the Q400 pilots are working somewhat harder.
Regards
judging by those numbers, you must be on the sustaining fleet, or "Klub Klassic"
(similar to Klub Jetstream, before they got rid of them). I'm sure you know as well as I do, that the rosters you're getting at the moment are neither "normal", nor sustainable long term.Dr. Evil and Mini Me would be secretly spewing that you guys aren't as productive as you normally are
I guess what I'm saying is that as soon as things pick up, you'll be back to the regular high hours/no life work patterns. I still have copies of some of my old rosters under the present EBA. Never had less than 55hrs flying and always close to max fortnightly duty. (Including "Admin" over at the Evil Empire)
I suspect the Q400 pilots are working somewhat harder.
Regards
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That depends what type you're on.
Good guess Jarse, but I'm actually on Q400. As with all things, the bulk of work ebbs and flows with fleet and crew fluctuations. Different types and ranks will have different rates of effort at various times. Bottom line though, even in the midst of the "pilot shortage" when I was routinely being asked to extend and work on days off, I still wasn't working all that hard in the bigger scheme of things. I'll grant you that some other companies would be better (and I completely accept Hugh's assertions in that regard), but my comparison was drawn in reference to the average working professional.
To clarify, I certainly don't think we should pull a normal working week. Even within the limits of CAO 48/EBA provisions we should be careful to ensure that we are not fatigued. However, to work a professional career at an average of below 30-35 hours per week and claim that you don't have a lifestyle is a bit on the precious side for mine.
Again - the hardest I've worked here (or seen anybody else work for that matter) still ranks as an easy lifestyle in my book.
PS - I would also accept without question that the aforementioned upstairs types are actively seeking and implementing plans to make us more "productive". Don't get me started on meal arrangements.
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Do many of the Syd base crew commute from the Central coast etc? is that even posible with the rostering. Just dont fancy living in Syd paying $500 week for a 3 bedroom sh%tbox
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It's possible. A few tech crews and cabin crews live in, or near the central coast. There's no restriction other then having to arrive at work from your first phone call from crewing on your reserve period in 2 hours.
Coming from the north to the airport is a pain because of multiple toll roads and government induced road restrictions. Someone mentioned to me once that for a roundtrip on the toll roads cost close to 25 dollar. However, coming from the south is a more ideal situation. You can get from Wollongong to the airport just around an hour mark, which is more ideal.
Coming from the north to the airport is a pain because of multiple toll roads and government induced road restrictions. Someone mentioned to me once that for a roundtrip on the toll roads cost close to 25 dollar. However, coming from the south is a more ideal situation. You can get from Wollongong to the airport just around an hour mark, which is more ideal.
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Just after a little more info regarding rostering and especially commuting from the central coast. Would commuting require heading down 4-5 times a week or can you do overnight trips (for added allowances and less driving), is it a bidding system/seniority? Also, how often are you called in on standby days?
Thanks for any info
Just after a little more info regarding rostering and especially commuting from the central coast. Would commuting require heading down 4-5 times a week or can you do overnight trips (for added allowances and less driving), is it a bidding system/seniority? Also, how often are you called in on standby days?
Thanks for any info
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Icarus53,
"Bottom line though, even in the midst of the "pilot shortage" when I was routinely being asked to extend and work on days off, I still wasn't working all that hard in the bigger scheme of things."
So I would like to ask you this, did you ever have no reserve days, over 155 duty hours per roster and exceed 900 hours flying time doing just Canberra-Sydney return in the q400?
For someone who loved aviation to hating it in less than a 6 month period, I would say to you that you obviously haven't worked a hard day in your life, inside or outside of aviation. It is dissapointing to see that you hold such opinions. It is people like you who would work for nothing and destroy our 'profession' so you can talk your 'bulls**t'. Some of us are here because we love our job, but we deserve to be rewarded for it as well.
All i can say to you is look back to how it was in the 70's. Whilst I am youngish as well, I cannot believe this ignorance. Recently I was told by numerous FO's that they didn't want a command due to the responsibility and the fact that the money is not good enough. So whilst you say that these hours are not too much, I can assure you I have worked in the past in other industry's over 14 hours a day 6 days a week. Whilst that was a lot of work, this is different from physical work, or no brainer work like so many other people have. If you want that, go and leave Qantas Link and work harder somewhere else. And remember, unless you are pulling 4's across the board at sim, hit the books, do some work in your own time and your 'hours' will pick up, trust me!
"Bottom line though, even in the midst of the "pilot shortage" when I was routinely being asked to extend and work on days off, I still wasn't working all that hard in the bigger scheme of things."
So I would like to ask you this, did you ever have no reserve days, over 155 duty hours per roster and exceed 900 hours flying time doing just Canberra-Sydney return in the q400?
For someone who loved aviation to hating it in less than a 6 month period, I would say to you that you obviously haven't worked a hard day in your life, inside or outside of aviation. It is dissapointing to see that you hold such opinions. It is people like you who would work for nothing and destroy our 'profession' so you can talk your 'bulls**t'. Some of us are here because we love our job, but we deserve to be rewarded for it as well.
All i can say to you is look back to how it was in the 70's. Whilst I am youngish as well, I cannot believe this ignorance. Recently I was told by numerous FO's that they didn't want a command due to the responsibility and the fact that the money is not good enough. So whilst you say that these hours are not too much, I can assure you I have worked in the past in other industry's over 14 hours a day 6 days a week. Whilst that was a lot of work, this is different from physical work, or no brainer work like so many other people have. If you want that, go and leave Qantas Link and work harder somewhere else. And remember, unless you are pulling 4's across the board at sim, hit the books, do some work in your own time and your 'hours' will pick up, trust me!
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Apparently I have just been served.
The fact that I can't determine exactly what mp32 is on about or how the specifics of his post relate to me in any way does little to ease the sting.
So I would like to ask you this, did you ever have no reserve days, over 155 duty hours per roster and exceed 900 hours flying time doing just Canberra-Sydney return in the q400?
For someone who loved aviation to hating it in less than a 6 month period, I would say to you that you obviously haven't worked a hard day in your life
It is people like you who would work for nothing and destroy our 'profession'
And remember, unless you are pulling 4's across the board at sim, hit the books, do some work in your own time and your 'hours' will pick up, trust me!
You might even learn a thing or two.
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Icarus53,
With respect to you I must agree that Qantas Link provides a good lifestyle, but please don't lose touch!
You said,
This is not many hours, like I said, wait until you do have 155 duty hours on that 28 day roster.
And yes, there were some pilots who exceeded 900 hours on the CB-SY route during its early intervention when Sunstate crew were operating it and where forced to stop operating!
Not to turn this into a slinging match, I must agree that at the moment it is fantastic, but it could turn around where there is no reserve days and on your days off you are exhausted, catching up on all your duties around the home and still being called up to come into work on your days off. History tends to repeat itself!
What I am trying to tell you is that don't believe that 110 hours will stay the same and that this lifestyle will! All the best!
With respect to you I must agree that Qantas Link provides a good lifestyle, but please don't lose touch!
You said,
I think some of us pilots seem to lose perspective. I do a relatively high number of hours in the company, and I am lucky to pull around 110 hours duty in 28 days.
And yes, there were some pilots who exceeded 900 hours on the CB-SY route during its early intervention when Sunstate crew were operating it and where forced to stop operating!
Not to turn this into a slinging match, I must agree that at the moment it is fantastic, but it could turn around where there is no reserve days and on your days off you are exhausted, catching up on all your duties around the home and still being called up to come into work on your days off. History tends to repeat itself!
What I am trying to tell you is that don't believe that 110 hours will stay the same and that this lifestyle will! All the best!
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I dont know about anyone else but i had to wait over a month before getting the result of the stage 2 testing then much longer until i was offered an interview, which of course unless you are sitting at the computer hitting refresh on your email inbox to be able to request a date immediately you will probably miss out on...
I dont know about anyone else but i had to wait over a month before getting the result of the stage 2 testing then much longer until i was offered an interview, which of course unless you are sitting at the computer hitting refresh on your email inbox to be able to request a date immediately you will probably miss out on...
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Anyone moving through the recruitment stages lately?
I have noticed the Qantas Health Assessment has been dropped from stage 3.
Question: Why do they (QLINK) run two AOCs?
I have noticed the Qantas Health Assessment has been dropped from stage 3.
Question: Why do they (QLINK) run two AOCs?
Standing
sunstate and eastern fall under qlink brand....historical reasons as they were separate airlines originally....i imagine one day it will be 1 aoc and 1 seniority list.???
sunstate and eastern fall under qlink brand....historical reasons as they were separate airlines originally....i imagine one day it will be 1 aoc and 1 seniority list.???
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Thanks Happy,
I know they work under the QLINK brand, i even remember the days of Southern ...
My question was more relating to the increased costs of running two AOC's... and the benifits for doing so if any.
Will Easterns AOC start collecting dust like Southerns (if it still exists).
I would assume keeping Sunstates AOC would be the easier choice as it has the Q400 plus others on it?
Interesting point regarding seniority lists.
I know they work under the QLINK brand, i even remember the days of Southern ...
My question was more relating to the increased costs of running two AOC's... and the benifits for doing so if any.
Will Easterns AOC start collecting dust like Southerns (if it still exists).
I would assume keeping Sunstates AOC would be the easier choice as it has the Q400 plus others on it?
Interesting point regarding seniority lists.