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Capt Wally, spare pads of flight plan sheets. And the best thing of all, when I was working as the relieving office girl/aeroplane washer/drinker of free XXXX proferred to underaged drinkers at RFS, Clients would ring up to see where an aeroplane was. A quick call to briefing over at AF would give me a last position and ETA for the field. Try doing that now!
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I wonder if it was the same guys in the G 1000 that did the wheels up at MAG twice, never hear about that one much these days.
But most likely why they dont do much real flying anymore
But most likely why they dont do much real flying anymore
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hey 'airmed' I remember the 2 x wheels up ldg's by the Dept @ MNG in their shinny new G1000's, was comforting to know that even they where human !
I remember hearing somewhere that a certain small corporate jet nearly did the same thing at AV some years ago with a Dept driver onboard doing testing of some nature. I believe they both scratched their heads & wondered why the beast was coming in like a rocket with the pwr at flight idle! The result was a 'shortened' version of an antenna on the bottom of the plane, well something like that anyway !
'Bulldog 248' loved that story of the noisy buggers at the base of MB twr !
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I remember hearing somewhere that a certain small corporate jet nearly did the same thing at AV some years ago with a Dept driver onboard doing testing of some nature. I believe they both scratched their heads & wondered why the beast was coming in like a rocket with the pwr at flight idle!
The result was a 'shortened' version of an antenna on the bottom of the plane, well something like that anyway !'Bulldog 248' loved that story of the noisy buggers at the base of MB twr !
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AAAAH Moorabbin Memories.......
Yes good story Bulldog 248 on the noisy G1000, had a giggle with that one.
Learnt at Moorabbin back in the late 60's on the Victa Airtourer at Peninsula Air Services, the 115 was a great aircraft to fly but the
100 hp model not real good on a hot day! I think the hourly rate was $12 but seemed expensive then.
Had a great instructor in Ken Cooper, ex-MAF PNG pilot, probably passed on now. PAS was owned by Bill Suhr, a dentist by trade and he was killed flying an air ambulance out of Essendon some years later.
Yep, you could wander around the aerodrome at will checking out aircraft and hangars, great old days.
I remember once parking below the Twr and hadn't cancelled Sartime so the ATC fellow came out and yelled to me below about it so I cupped hands to mouth and screamed back "cancel SAR" and duly got the thumbs up.
You don't get service like that anymore.
Learnt at Moorabbin back in the late 60's on the Victa Airtourer at Peninsula Air Services, the 115 was a great aircraft to fly but the
100 hp model not real good on a hot day! I think the hourly rate was $12 but seemed expensive then.
Had a great instructor in Ken Cooper, ex-MAF PNG pilot, probably passed on now. PAS was owned by Bill Suhr, a dentist by trade and he was killed flying an air ambulance out of Essendon some years later.
Yep, you could wander around the aerodrome at will checking out aircraft and hangars, great old days.
I remember once parking below the Twr and hadn't cancelled Sartime so the ATC fellow came out and yelled to me below about it so I cupped hands to mouth and screamed back "cancel SAR" and duly got the thumbs up.
You don't get service like that anymore.
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Yes, it was certainly a busy time in aviation for......... THE SIGN-WRITERS (changing all Department offices front doors around Australia from DCA to CAA to DOT??? then CASA)....... THE PRINTERS (doing the same changes in name plus changing the FLT PLAN NOTICE FORMS ink from black to RED, so you couldn't read it at night, then back to black.)...........AND THE ENGINEERS(for crapping all the G1000's and Bonanzas off runways all over Australia)......
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hadagutful, to settle a bet I had with a mate!!!! did PAS in Bills day have a base down at Tyabb???? I know they were at YMMB and YMEN????
Capt Wally and air med, I dont know if anyone will find out about the 2 wheels-up drivers at YMNG as a Restricted Area was soon set up after each event. As for the near one at YMAV, I think the safety officer down their still has part of an unidentified aerial mounted in his office!!!!!
Capt Wally and air med, I dont know if anyone will find out about the 2 wheels-up drivers at YMNG as a Restricted Area was soon set up after each event. As for the near one at YMAV, I think the safety officer down their still has part of an unidentified aerial mounted in his office!!!!!
DCA wheels up at YMAV
VH-CAO HS125 DCA pilots doing single engine circuits- only problem gear warning horn worked on the thrust lever not at idle. Hence only sounded on retardation at the flare- grinding noises!! Pilot thence forever known as "Wheels-up Mc........"
memories:-
-the pine planatation near Civil's always a P51 parked outside.
-Unmade road in from Centre Dandenong road flooded after decent rain
-access from Lower Dandenong Rd
-smoke puffs for change of runway/wind direction
-regular use of the Aldis Lamp
-Aerobatics at night in a DH82. ATC had a go because they could see nav lights going around so you switched them off. Still complained because they could hear the changing engine note
- Ansons collecting crays from FLI and KI
- hand refueling from drums with a hand pump
- Super Spread Beavers arriving back at Last Light
ah but a few................
memories:-
-the pine planatation near Civil's always a P51 parked outside.
-Unmade road in from Centre Dandenong road flooded after decent rain
-access from Lower Dandenong Rd
-smoke puffs for change of runway/wind direction
-regular use of the Aldis Lamp
-Aerobatics at night in a DH82. ATC had a go because they could see nav lights going around so you switched them off. Still complained because they could hear the changing engine note
- Ansons collecting crays from FLI and KI
- hand refueling from drums with a hand pump
- Super Spread Beavers arriving back at Last Light
ah but a few................
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Early Tyabb days
BULLDOG 248
If my faded memory remembers correctly I don't believe PAS was ever involved at Tyabb.
In the very early days, the 60's, even before my time there, there were 3 operators, Bill Vowell, Doug Thompson (prior to the Peninsula Aero Club) and Jack Ellis. The first two operators did not work well together with the third and following alleged threats, shots fired and an issue involving snakes Mr Ellis was asked to leave, he subsequently started ops at Moorooduc.
After the formation of PAC there was some form of arrangement with Schutt Aviation for some time. Arthur Schutt was made Patron of the club from those very early days and from memory remains on the Clubs honour board.
Bill Suhr also held a position or two on the PAC Committee, but I don't think he operated PAS from Tyabb.
I can't be absolutely sure of that at this time but will contact a friend who pre-dates my time at Tyabb (1973) and seek his recollections.
Just called him and his memory is as clouded as mine, sorry.
I've got the history of Tyabb somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
It's called "Turbulence over Tyabb" and was written by Doug Thompson with assistance from a few club members, myself included. A fine read.
BSB
If my faded memory remembers correctly I don't believe PAS was ever involved at Tyabb.
In the very early days, the 60's, even before my time there, there were 3 operators, Bill Vowell, Doug Thompson (prior to the Peninsula Aero Club) and Jack Ellis. The first two operators did not work well together with the third and following alleged threats, shots fired and an issue involving snakes Mr Ellis was asked to leave, he subsequently started ops at Moorooduc.
After the formation of PAC there was some form of arrangement with Schutt Aviation for some time. Arthur Schutt was made Patron of the club from those very early days and from memory remains on the Clubs honour board.
Bill Suhr also held a position or two on the PAC Committee, but I don't think he operated PAS from Tyabb.
I can't be absolutely sure of that at this time but will contact a friend who pre-dates my time at Tyabb (1973) and seek his recollections.
Just called him and his memory is as clouded as mine, sorry.
I've got the history of Tyabb somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
It's called "Turbulence over Tyabb" and was written by Doug Thompson with assistance from a few club members, myself included. A fine read.
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I can't say for certain, too long ago but I have a feeling that Peninsula Air Services did have an operation down at Tyabb, but look, maybe BSB is right and Bill was just on the committee of PAC.
Probably need to check with one of the old hands from down there.
I started flying at Moorabbin in 1967 at 17 and I can just remember a few years before that when the field was an all over grass airfield. No problem for the DH84's and Chippies. Don't know whether cross wind landings/circuits were ever done??
Also plenty of paddocks around to do a forced landing if necessary, you'd be in deep s...t now of course.
Just getting back to the wheels up job in the DoA/CAA/DoT ???
G1000, the only aviation emergency I have ever been involved in to this day and not even as a pilot was in one of the DoA's you beaut
G1000's.
We had left Canberra for Ess via Mallacoota and Launceston and on the climb out from Lornie had a fire warning light so they shut down the LHS engine for an assymetric approach and landing back at YMLT.
Nicely executed and after all that, the inspection confirmed it to be a faulty micro switch.
Best thing though was that HQ sent one of the F28's, VH -ATG down from Melbourne to pick the 3 of us up!
Good old days in the Department!
I can't say for certain, too long ago but I have a feeling that Peninsula Air Services did have an operation down at Tyabb, but look, maybe BSB is right and Bill was just on the committee of PAC.
Probably need to check with one of the old hands from down there.
I started flying at Moorabbin in 1967 at 17 and I can just remember a few years before that when the field was an all over grass airfield. No problem for the DH84's and Chippies. Don't know whether cross wind landings/circuits were ever done??
Also plenty of paddocks around to do a forced landing if necessary, you'd be in deep s...t now of course.
Just getting back to the wheels up job in the DoA/CAA/DoT ???
G1000, the only aviation emergency I have ever been involved in to this day and not even as a pilot was in one of the DoA's you beaut
G1000's.
We had left Canberra for Ess via Mallacoota and Launceston and on the climb out from Lornie had a fire warning light so they shut down the LHS engine for an assymetric approach and landing back at YMLT.
Nicely executed and after all that, the inspection confirmed it to be a faulty micro switch.
Best thing though was that HQ sent one of the F28's, VH -ATG down from Melbourne to pick the 3 of us up!
Good old days in the Department!
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Anyone remember the 1977 ATC strike, which closed Tulla and Essendon, but YMMB was still accepting aircraft, interesting and busy times for a week or so.
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Goodness me, there's some great memories of my days at MB in this thread. I'm all misty-eyed!
I'm sure I can remember Bill operating out of Tyabb, although I'm not sure if that was under the PAS banner. Of course he also operated the Seabee that was being discussed earlier in the thread (or at least that's the way I remember it, but it was a long time ago!).
I'm sure I can remember Bill operating out of Tyabb, although I'm not sure if that was under the PAS banner. Of course he also operated the Seabee that was being discussed earlier in the thread (or at least that's the way I remember it, but it was a long time ago!).
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The best at Mb was when it was controlled by the Fed police and state police didnt patrol it.
Walk out of the house of Lies each night, partly tanked, jump in the car go home 5 kms, now days the boys are waiting for you down at the end of Grange road.
Did a few RVAC club comps, with a great babri afterwards, lot of fun doing streamer cutting over the bay in an old PA 28, also doing aero's or inverted on the way back from the training area.
Was there a Merlin a En that the wheels folded up in the hangar after a DOT/CASA FOI took his kids to have alook inside of the merlin and next thing sitting on its belly, quote me if I am wrong. I think one of the strangest happening was the TNT in the Cheyanne and blowing it to bits as with a heap of other planes in the hangar, what asight.
Walk out of the house of Lies each night, partly tanked, jump in the car go home 5 kms, now days the boys are waiting for you down at the end of Grange road.
Did a few RVAC club comps, with a great babri afterwards, lot of fun doing streamer cutting over the bay in an old PA 28, also doing aero's or inverted on the way back from the training area.
Was there a Merlin a En that the wheels folded up in the hangar after a DOT/CASA FOI took his kids to have alook inside of the merlin and next thing sitting on its belly, quote me if I am wrong. I think one of the strangest happening was the TNT in the Cheyanne and blowing it to bits as with a heap of other planes in the hangar, what asight.
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Thanks, hadagutful,BSB and tiger28. My mate conceded defeat and left a box of green ones on my doorstep last night.
yarra...I had no idea DCA of the day flew HS125's. They sure did get around in a different types. Great story about the tigers doing aeros at night.
stationair8...I do remember a couple of ATC strikes around then. And of course the pilots strike when anyone with an AOC got very busy.
air med...Your probably right about the Merlin getting Belly Wacked.
We could start a new Thread named......DCA/DOT/DOT??/CAA/CASA BLOOPERS
yarra...I had no idea DCA of the day flew HS125's. They sure did get around in a different types. Great story about the tigers doing aeros at night.
stationair8...I do remember a couple of ATC strikes around then. And of course the pilots strike when anyone with an AOC got very busy.
air med...Your probably right about the Merlin getting Belly Wacked.
We could start a new Thread named......DCA/DOT/DOT??/CAA/CASA BLOOPERS
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We could start a new Thread named......DCA/DOT/DOT??/CAA/CASA BLOOPERS
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A few more from memory archives:
Examiners of Airmen from DCA days
Rick Taite,
John Lindsay,
Mark Perrot,
Ian Priestley,
Lindsay Ingram
Chief Flying Instructors
Peter Bini,
Steve Pearce,
Allan Gray,
Pilots
Jock Gardiner
John Williams
Bruce Northeast
In the Feb 1987 Australian Flying, Southern Air Services were advertising initial twin endorsements in a Seminole or Duchess for $979.00. Including 5 hours flying and all briefings.
Go back a few years to 1979/80 and the new Vic/TAS Cessna Dealer was Fliteway Cessna complete with a Cessna Pilot Centre, and a fleet of brand new Cessnas
Examiners of Airmen from DCA days
Rick Taite,
John Lindsay,
Mark Perrot,
Ian Priestley,
Lindsay Ingram
Chief Flying Instructors
Peter Bini,
Steve Pearce,
Allan Gray,
Pilots
Jock Gardiner
John Williams
Bruce Northeast
In the Feb 1987 Australian Flying, Southern Air Services were advertising initial twin endorsements in a Seminole or Duchess for $979.00. Including 5 hours flying and all briefings.
Go back a few years to 1979/80 and the new Vic/TAS Cessna Dealer was Fliteway Cessna complete with a Cessna Pilot Centre, and a fleet of brand new Cessnas