V Australia-Tell me it aint true! (Merged Thread)
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I have an email here from Maddy stating that pay for a cruise FO will be $40-$60k including super.
It also states that they will roster you for 1000 hours/year.
If they start giving out DECs and DEFOs then christ only knows how long you will stay a SO.... so, bugger that.
It also states that they will roster you for 1000 hours/year.
If they start giving out DECs and DEFOs then christ only knows how long you will stay a SO.... so, bugger that.
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Recheck your emails
Hi Folks
I have been reading some posts with interest regarding VA's pay and conditions. I think some of you need to check the emails that you were sent and re read them. Some of your facts are a little off. Below is an extract of the email sent to me. It may clear up some of the errors in some of the threads.
"Although salary has not yet been finalised you can expect a salary range between $45,000 - $60,000 per annum*. This is a total salary and includes superannuation and incentive payments. Cruise Relief First Officer salary will be in two bands, with your level of experience determining your banding. V Australia will pay for endorsement costs, and a bond period will apply".
"The V Australia Fatigue Risk Management System will permit rostering to a maximum of 1000 hours per annum and rosters will be based on a 28 day cycle. You will be guaranteed 9 days off in any roster period at your home base, and you will receive 42 days annual leave".
Personally I think those of you with an interview offer should attent and hear exactly what is on offer with regards to pay, upgrade times, etc. This is the only way to get the truth, and then make up your own minds. If you don't like what you hear then with draw your applicaction. If you do, then take the job - it's that simple.
I have been reading some posts with interest regarding VA's pay and conditions. I think some of you need to check the emails that you were sent and re read them. Some of your facts are a little off. Below is an extract of the email sent to me. It may clear up some of the errors in some of the threads.
"Although salary has not yet been finalised you can expect a salary range between $45,000 - $60,000 per annum*. This is a total salary and includes superannuation and incentive payments. Cruise Relief First Officer salary will be in two bands, with your level of experience determining your banding. V Australia will pay for endorsement costs, and a bond period will apply".
"The V Australia Fatigue Risk Management System will permit rostering to a maximum of 1000 hours per annum and rosters will be based on a 28 day cycle. You will be guaranteed 9 days off in any roster period at your home base, and you will receive 42 days annual leave".
Personally I think those of you with an interview offer should attent and hear exactly what is on offer with regards to pay, upgrade times, etc. This is the only way to get the truth, and then make up your own minds. If you don't like what you hear then with draw your applicaction. If you do, then take the job - it's that simple.
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So Bungles, you have basically just confirmed what the others have said so i dont think there is any need to re check e mails. No matter how you look at it, it is crap pay and for 1000 hrs per year of relief over the pond, i would recommend the younger ones to think carefully!!!!
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In the spirit of the thread title, tell me it ain't true...
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629Bus,
VB has had an impressive growth story but lets not forget that they where handed half the market on a plate with the collapse of Ansett, I think its fair to say the long-haul venture will see a bit more competition from the established players.
VB has had an impressive growth story but lets not forget that they where handed half the market on a plate with the collapse of Ansett, I think its fair to say the long-haul venture will see a bit more competition from the established players.
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You can not compare what is happening in GA or the domestic LCCs to what may happen in Voz. Initial orders fior 7 x 777s does not equate to continued and rapid expansion. The nearest comparrison is QF and there are many pilots there who did more than 10 years as an S/O. It all depends on how lucky you are! Will there be stagnation or expansion and what age will the guys be who hold the more senior possitions and how many aircraft will there be. The posibillity of 10 years as a cruise f/o is not crap it is a proven historical posibillity! I was told 18 months as a second officer before upgrade to an F/O slot at my interview at one stage in my career. 7 years later I was still waiting for peole to retire or die. I was very lucky to have had enough other flying experience to help me piss off elsewhere.
What ever you choose to belive it is just another gamble. You may win, you may loose. My advise to you, is to not gamble with this job uless you believe the money will be enough for you, or you have a way out, and/or you can afford to loose many years of your career.
You can not compare what is happening in GA or the domestic LCCs to what may happen in Voz. Initial orders fior 7 x 777s does not equate to continued and rapid expansion. The nearest comparrison is QF and there are many pilots there who did more than 10 years as an S/O. It all depends on how lucky you are! Will there be stagnation or expansion and what age will the guys be who hold the more senior possitions and how many aircraft will there be. The posibillity of 10 years as a cruise f/o is not crap it is a proven historical posibillity! I was told 18 months as a second officer before upgrade to an F/O slot at my interview at one stage in my career. 7 years later I was still waiting for peole to retire or die. I was very lucky to have had enough other flying experience to help me piss off elsewhere.
What ever you choose to belive it is just another gamble. You may win, you may loose. My advise to you, is to not gamble with this job uless you believe the money will be enough for you, or you have a way out, and/or you can afford to loose many years of your career.
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15 hrs to the states,then 15 home = 30 ft hours so cant fly more than 3 return LA's a month! I know it's hardly the most exciting flying but it should mean lots of days off per month,ie 12-14.
Any body been told what the expected deal is for SFO's and captains? and when interviews are expected?
Any body been told what the expected deal is for SFO's and captains? and when interviews are expected?
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15 hrs to the states,then 15 home = 30 ft hours
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If that is so, at least it would give you plenty of time off!
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Might I sugget the definition of "exemption" is looked up in the good book - and no, that is NOT the bible, rather the dictionary.
Seem to remember stuff on the ME forum complaining how Emirates were using factoring on heavy crews so that, even though you were all locked up in the aluminium tubing for the same total time your "stick credit" was only a % (albeit high) of that credit time to allow for time in the bunk etc etc.
All signed off by the outstanding regulatory authorities of the region.
Now if you were Vb/Va/Vwhatever management wouldn't you be looking for a similar scenario??
Whilst I have no idea what the management boyos have in their minds (do they know?) just make sure that any boys and girls signing contracts know what they are signing.
Caveat Emptor
Seem to remember stuff on the ME forum complaining how Emirates were using factoring on heavy crews so that, even though you were all locked up in the aluminium tubing for the same total time your "stick credit" was only a % (albeit high) of that credit time to allow for time in the bunk etc etc.
All signed off by the outstanding regulatory authorities of the region.
Now if you were Vb/Va/Vwhatever management wouldn't you be looking for a similar scenario??
Whilst I have no idea what the management boyos have in their minds (do they know?) just make sure that any boys and girls signing contracts know what they are signing.
Caveat Emptor
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Sorry HH
Should have said also - time off will depend on the roster construction and slip time in the US.
Yes - if everything falls into place exceptionally good time off.
If not - maybe the Va theme could be "we now call L.A. hommmmmm-e"
Obviously after the sterling efforts by VB to piss all and sundry off with too many overnights and poor pattern construction this will all magically change in the new entity Va!
Me thinks not but WTF would I know??
Should have said also - time off will depend on the roster construction and slip time in the US.
Yes - if everything falls into place exceptionally good time off.
If not - maybe the Va theme could be "we now call L.A. hommmmmm-e"
Obviously after the sterling efforts by VB to piss all and sundry off with too many overnights and poor pattern construction this will all magically change in the new entity Va!
Me thinks not but WTF would I know??
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As I understand it, the standard CAO exemption now is 100 hours flight duty (i.e. on board, not just in cockpit) in 28 days and 1000 hours a year. The exemption in any case limits duty time to 60 hours in 7 days and 100 hours in 14 days so crews' backs are covered somewhat there too. Any airline management that can't make money with those rules isn't trying.
I suppose it's always possible that V-Australia might try to get more but wouldn't count on CASA approval. This might be an area whcih could crystallize the coming together of AFAP and AIPA as any further exemptions would inevitably feed through one day to QF mainline.
I suppose it's always possible that V-Australia might try to get more but wouldn't count on CASA approval. This might be an area whcih could crystallize the coming together of AFAP and AIPA as any further exemptions would inevitably feed through one day to QF mainline.