VONKLUFFEN

Now, lets see, if we work on the 60% rule we get F/O salary at 75000-100000 and Capts at 125000-167000. Me thinks lots of people are going to go along to the interviews for a laugh.

Don't think Captains will be making same or even less than VB drivers...

Could the above figures be after someone did the tax math?

Did someone get the wrong info? Why would VA say something on the phone and then when you show up something different. Very high chances that being so, 98 % of pilots will feel they have been cheated and 100% of those 98 will turn the offer down. Hope VA are not so

gj18457

Terrible offer.Perhaps they are fishing for young guys with 200 hours
to accept the cruise F.O slots.

campdoag

VONKLUFFEN
i'm not sure about the Sen FO or the Capt salaries but the post i made earlier is a direct quote from an e-mail i recieved from V. It is fact not hearsay.

HH it is true many will not be able to afford to accept this offer, myself included........ It's less than half my current salary and thats not including my retention bonus........with a couple of morgatges and other commitments, its just not an option for that sort of money!! I'll keep my dash thanks!!

Zero_au

I have just heard that the goal posts may have been shifted again. Apparrently, the 4 out of every 7 command slots awarded to VB captains will require the VB pilot to resign from VB and their will be NO VB domestic staff travel avaliable. This is to discourage commuting. If this is true then pilots that accept a position will well and truly be setting a new low benchmark for a B777 skipper! Anybody in the know like to expand on the above?

Chocks Away

...VB pilot to resign from VB and their will be NO VB domestic staff travel


Well, if true that's just reduced the "pool of applicants" a huge amount.
Not many will accept that I feel, especially on the dollars mentioned.
Any Pacific/Poly Blue guys transferring to VB have to resign, with no recognition of service years (on the same Boeing , same SOPS etc). It's just stupid and makes no sense, given what's on offer with other Airlines.

Going Boeing

If the figures for Cruise F/O (i.e. S/O) are as low as reported on this thread, why would anyone consider taking the job? They could join QF on more than twice the salary, have a front seat within a few years and then have a choice of types which would give them professional variety plus lifestyle advantages.

jetblues

There is a fair degree of rubbish going around re the 777 jobs for current VB crew.

FACT : there are no facts yet.

Yes a current VB pilot will have to resign from VB, however there is a continuation of service and return to domestic fleet clause that would be a useful "get out of jail" card if required.

Re staff travel, the latest is that it WILL be available (at least this is what the cabin crew were told last week).

Flying Spag Monster

It will help VA's case when they go to the government and say we couldn't get enough pilots in Oz to man our fleet. Can we offer jobs and a residence to foreigners please? 40-60K PLUS a visa....Priceless! for everything else there's mastercard.

VONKLUFFEN

Is the gross salary offered for CF - FO - Cap the problem or is it that the government takes a lot in taxes ? A 767 job in Japan is paying 193000 before taxes ....
Just to look at this from a different point of view.

SOPS

its the tax man..its the tax. What you have to look at is what is left in your hand after the tax people take their slice

VONKLUFFEN

Any company can give the best of the salaries but if you are taxed heavily it is not the company's fault that you have less left at the end of the month.
That is why I ask who is the villain in the movie? Lets suppose the Oz gov would tax us very little amount. Would the salaries offered be good? In many places of Europe people have barley any money left to spend but all is covered for them, schools, health insurances, pension etc. How much can a company afford to keep people happy? It is the cost of a pilot what airlines take into account. Not how much he has left to get his BMW...That tax factor is not under their control , here in Oz or any part of the globe.
I know I know we all want to have not one but two BMW parked in the garage!!

flyhardmo

Tax man or no tax man. 45-60K a yr to be part of a crew on a widebody is SH!T in anyones language wherever you are.

Vonkluffen said
I fail to see a different point of view when you have to work in a pub on your resting days so your family can have at least one meal a day.

bushy

And that's only exaggerating a little bit.
Three of my ex pilots are now flying for the RFDS. One told me recently he has had a number of offers, but does not want to fly for airlines. He is earning significantly more than the airlines offered him.
All three of them, like me, opted to stay doing useful work in GA.
You know GA, that terrible industry where you have to live in a ****hole, get paid peanuts, fly clapped out aircraft for bosses who all carry whips.
And that's only exaggerating a little bit.
Oh poor bugger me.

60 & below

Campdoag

Could you give us some insight to the SHL Assesment.
Was it a Personality test or was there a mathematical and professional spin to it? E.G Qantas

campdoag

60 and below it was the same as qantas.........

have fun with your 45000

it is a little dissapointing that people are still considering 45000-60000 a viable option. If the majority of candidates DECLINED the offer on the basis of poor pay, they would have only have a couple of options.
Fill the seats with arse licking 1200hour newbies or raise the salary to attract the more experienced. Like i said earlier they seem to have only offered interviews to candidates with around 4000hours

good luck

Ref + 10

Anyone with 4000hrs in the current market can command a 6 figure salary at many, many different companies around the country. I really don't see the allure of being a "cruise f/o" in a big jet when your family, lifestyle, etc all have to take a very distant back seat.

I have no doubt that they will get the front seats filled but hopefully there will be enough people knocking the offers back to get them thinking about raising the t&c's. Getting in early and waiting/hoping for them to improve as another pruner suggested is not a chance I would take with my family.

60 & below

Campdoag

Thanks for the info

excellr8

Average Aussie wage is 56k a year......To fly a 777 earning around that figure............It's a joke. You can't even afford rent in AUS on a wage like that, owning a home............forget it.

Tankengine

Can all current/future crew of all Airlines ask themselves why THEY are not worth as much as some of their peers!

S/O Qantas salary is the benchmark for "cruise F/O"

While some will work for peanuts all of our careers goes down the drain!

neville_nobody

That doesn't mean a thing. It's how many people actually accept the offer then turn up. The real statistic is how many of those who got in actually turned it down. That will suggest how competitive the market really is.