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Old 8th Oct 2007, 13:39
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Pelair Jobs

latest ad for pelair shows 2000hrs for an FO position, but no mention of ME time. have they dropped the 500 ME CMD requirement.

Are they finding it hard to find drivers.

Also, does anyone know where new hires are based, is sydney a hard base to get, would like to move back there for family reasons.

Can anyone also tell me the routes they fly from SYD and any info about rosters.
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Old 8th Oct 2007, 13:57
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Yeah, I also noticed the FO position for Surveillance Australia doesn't mention anything about multi-engine command time either (not even a mention of multi-time for that matter)

# Be at least 18 years old.
# Be an Australian, UK, Canadian, New Zealand or South African citizen.
# Hold a CPL.
# 1 000 hours total flying experience.
# 500 hours command experience.
# An instrument rating with a minimum of 3 renewals.
# Be physically fit.
# Hold a Class 1 Aviation Medical Certificate.
# Be eligible for both an Aviation Security Identity Card (ASIC) and an Australian Customs Security Clearance. An extensive security package will be issued after a successful interview and must be completed at least four weeks before course commencement.
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Old 8th Oct 2007, 22:34
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Think about it Kids if you had 3 instrument rating renewals it is very likely that you have multi-engine time already. Unless you have been just flying single IFR for the last 3 years. It is an indirect way of asking for multi-engine time. Preference will always be given to anyone with multi-time. Although considering the current aviation climate they may be inclined to reduce these minimums.
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Old 8th Oct 2007, 22:48
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If you had 3 IF renewals under your belt then surely you'd have a significant amount of multi time anyway? It's really asking for multi time without actually asking up front...

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Old 9th Oct 2007, 01:22
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Originally Posted by Paper Planes
Think about it Kids if you had 3 instrument rating renewals it is very likely that you have multi-engine time already.
Mate, that I've worked out. Not rocket science .... but no 500 ME command anymore? Where're the numbers? That's my question.
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Old 9th Oct 2007, 01:53
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The net is being cast further out and the mesh has got alot smaller. Companies can't be as choosey as in the past and requirements are less specific as they don't want to rule out a candidate who is say 100hrs light in multi time but in all other respects highly suitable.

These days it's draw in as many applicants as possible and sort through to find the best. In the past it was set high and specific requirements to reduce the number of applicants, then sort out who you wanted from people who met or exceeded the wish list.

Times have changed, lost count of the number of PEL AIR job adverts I've seen this year. Ten years ago despite having ATPL 4000+hrs, multi, turbine time I got knocked back, not even an interview, because I wasn't already endorsed on a Metro !
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Or there is the sneaky alternative... 3 weeks, 3 IR renewals
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 10:49
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Minimums...GFPT with cpl theory completed...
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 08:29
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There is a Pel-Air metro always parked at Sydney (Bankstown Airport). So possibly a start there?
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 10:02
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Surveillance has never had a requirement for ME command as far as I'm aware. The renewels can be worked around a little. Initial issue is one, and initial prof check with the company is number two, so you may have only had an IR for a year or less. Basically, there is some flexibility if they want to employ you.
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 14:43
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why would you want to work for pelair?Flying around in a busted arse metro, weather radars that work occasionally using garmin 100 VFR gps's and getting paid rubbish money. no thanks
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Old 12th Oct 2007, 22:57
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Pel-air

The bases are Brisbane if you get on the Braz
MKY,SYD and i think BNE for metro been a while i can find out more info PM me if so.
They r taking guys with less than 500 multi but you will never go command for pelair. The min hours are a guideline depends how des they get.
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Old 13th Oct 2007, 03:11
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As far as I know the bases are BN, DN, MKY, RK, MEL and AD. SYD base closed I believe, for the Metros but I think some of the Westwinds still operate out of there as well as Darwin. Used to be approx six months on a Metro before you could move across the the jets. The base you get is where they need drivers, like everyone else they'ed be finding it hard to find new drivers and retain the ones they've got.

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Old 14th Oct 2007, 02:25
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Most important req for SA is 100 hr comd ngt. Not a company req but cao 95.23 which allows ngt ops below LSALT on surveillance. Can't be varied or waivered for this reason.
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Old 14th Oct 2007, 11:36
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Na, the 100hr night command can be varied a little. It's only a requirement for the DHC8 captains so they can hire FOs without it. Also 10 hours is required to be done as ICUS during line training and more night ICUS can be done if necessary. Last time I looked, 100 night command was preferable but they'd take as little as 75.
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I am missing something here? ( OS for too long I guess) but can you guys help me?
surveillance ...??..
what, exactly has Pelair got now...in terms of jets and contracts
..I thought REX took it all over
only slightly confused
thanks

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Old 15th Oct 2007, 22:52
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Rex own Pel-Air. Pel-Air are operating Metro III, Metro 23, Brazilias and Westwinds plus 1 or 2 examples of a couple of other types. I think the Metros are mostly based out of BNE now and fly as far north as POM. The Metros are mostly night (freight) ops. 2 into Rocky, 1 into Mackay etc. and they sit here for the day.
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I am missing something here?
TAC. Refer to the first reply to the thread. It was stated that a similarity existed between a couple of ads and it seemed to go from there....
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 13:28
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Westwinds in Pelair

Pelair currently has 6 Westwind 1's - knu kns ajp ajj ajg ajv, and 2 Westind 2's - nga knr.

Two freighters and 1 multi-role medicac aircraft are based in Darwin. The freighers both do the night runs from Darwin to ML via Alice return, 4 nights a week(mon - thurs). A pilot based there could expect to do 2 nights per week on the freight run (approx 10 hours per night flight time)plus perhaps a medivac/charter. Obviously Pelair works on a Faid system.

The other Westinds are based between Sydney and Nowra on a floating basis depending on demand. The Navy uses them along with the Lear 35/36's to service the contract they have with Pelair. A sydney based pilot on the Westwind will fly medivac's (mostly international, throughout the pacific, Asia and indonesia), VIP charter, and some freight. This basing used to be the hardest to get, but then people realised the lifestyle that the Darwin base offered due to the more reliable rostering. Take your pick now.

The Westwind is a great plane to fly, the work is varied and interesting and it is extremely good experience -plus it is fun. You could get sent to a god-forsaken island in the middle of the ocean at 3 in the morning to rescue a half dead person, with 2 hours to be airborne. It is rewarding and challenging. You will not find another jet job in Australia where you will get to fly a corporate jet the way Pelair does. Hard and fast. As far as command goes, it could be as little as a few months if you can fly and they need Captains. It is entirely merit based as it should be. You will need to be good, the training is full on.

Downsides - Money and rostering. However this depends on your point of view I guess. They pay the award and only the award. Staffing affects the rostering of course, plus you will be on standby in Sydney a fair bit due to the type of work.

I can highly recommend the job. Getting them to return your calls is probably the biggest hurdle! Keep trying if you are interested. Now that Rex has taken over they are a little more insistent on the experience requirements. It used to be a bit more relaxed. But don't be discouraged if you are a bit short.

The Westwind and Metro divisions are like oil and water and don't mix - due to management clashes which is a shame. It is VERY hard to transfer from Metro to Westwind. Can be done though.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 03:46
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Not too sure about the Metro. However to my knowledge they are short, or will be at all the bases. As for the Westwind, there about at least three of the senior WW captains leaving shortly so that will mean there are 3 FO slots available being conservative. People are leaving from SY and DN. As a new arrival you could expect to spend time (probably 4 - 6 weeks) in DN initially regardless of basing until checked to line. This is simply due to flight frequency and consolidation. Once checked to line you return to SY if applicable. If you are interested consider calling Pel-Air sydney office (Westwind) and ask to speak to Wally - The Chief Pilot of both the Westwind and Metro fleets. The Web application form is seemingly useless.
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