REX. Knocking back quailified pilots
Dear ForkTailedDrKiller,
Is it too much to ask that JUST ONCE, you leave up a post I replied to, rather than deleting it straight away and making it look like I'm a complete nutcase...
Regards,
Lasiorhinus
Is it too much to ask that JUST ONCE, you leave up a post I replied to, rather than deleting it straight away and making it look like I'm a complete nutcase...
Regards,
Lasiorhinus
Lasio
Sorry mate, your too quick for me. There were no replies up when I pulled it.
I thought, "People don't want to read that cr*p"! So I took it off.
Dr
PS: Yep, if you take all the seats out of the 172, take the pax door off, put a plywood base on the floor, tip the coffin on its side (carefully so as not to disturb the contents, then bring it in between the strut and the fuse - it will fit - just.
Done one coffin run in a 172 - never again. Don't need to fly that much.
Sorry mate, your too quick for me. There were no replies up when I pulled it.
I thought, "People don't want to read that cr*p"! So I took it off.
Dr
PS: Yep, if you take all the seats out of the 172, take the pax door off, put a plywood base on the floor, tip the coffin on its side (carefully so as not to disturb the contents, then bring it in between the strut and the fuse - it will fit - just.
Done one coffin run in a 172 - never again. Don't need to fly that much.
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but the day I am scared I think I'll give it away
Post #12 at www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=293307 re a CRM course.
Now: the next course in Berne/Geneva, we had a DHL 757 driver, ex 727 chappie.
This guy was good, and he came from EXPERIENCE, he had faced his DEMONS, he had been SCARED, and when he asked Q's, like WHAT IN FLIGHT EMERGENCIES has anyone here had, there was minor everyday stuff.
I started to squirm in my seat when he asked about the "F" word, even I could see that I was the only one apart from the instructor, that was not at all comfortable, when he asked about "F" word, I think I nodded my head, he "uncomfortably" "respectfully" zeroed in, asked what it was like? to which I replied "not a very nice experience" and "We" were only too willing to leave it at that, but I know from something UNSPOKEN this chappie had had the same, I could tell it in the way he asked the question, his body language, his LIP/facial expresion, and the "Instant" unspoken bond, "sound corney or what". (red crayon mine)
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Maybe one of the reasons why PNG aviators share a bit of a 'bond' - formed by the knowledge of the experiences each has 'shared' while yet very much alone... Maybe not as serious as BA's 'F' word experiences but unique experiences none the less.
For anyone who thinks that if you get 'scared' you must have been a bad pilot in one way or another, try reading Earnest K Gann's book "Fate is the Hunter." A must read book which I would imagine almost any pilot enjoying - and learning from.
A bit off topic aren't we? REX obviously still feel they can hand-pick their crews and that isn't all together a bad thing is it? I think the key with these sorts of issues as previous posters have hinted at is to do the homework and find out what they are looking for and present yourself as being the person who meets or exceeds those expectations.
Maybe another attribute of the Y generation - expecting something to be handed out just because you meet the paper requirements. Now I'm really setting myself up for some flaming!
For anyone who thinks that if you get 'scared' you must have been a bad pilot in one way or another, try reading Earnest K Gann's book "Fate is the Hunter." A must read book which I would imagine almost any pilot enjoying - and learning from.
A bit off topic aren't we? REX obviously still feel they can hand-pick their crews and that isn't all together a bad thing is it? I think the key with these sorts of issues as previous posters have hinted at is to do the homework and find out what they are looking for and present yourself as being the person who meets or exceeds those expectations.
Maybe another attribute of the Y generation - expecting something to be handed out just because you meet the paper requirements. Now I'm really setting myself up for some flaming!
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Sir Captain Nomad
REX has realised that they need Generation Y so we will be flying your friends and family accross Australia in the near future. To the horror of some of the experienced pilots!
We deserve good working conditions with these cadet jobs and there is nothing all you experienced pilots can do to stop it happening.
Going bush and being treated like dirt by some dodgy GA operator to gain flying hours is a thing of the past. It is 2007 we deserve to be treated like any of the other professional occupations such as Doctors, Lawyers & Dentists.
So embrace the changes and work with the low-time pilots sitting in the RHS next to you.
REX has realised that they need Generation Y so we will be flying your friends and family accross Australia in the near future. To the horror of some of the experienced pilots!
We deserve good working conditions with these cadet jobs and there is nothing all you experienced pilots can do to stop it happening.
Going bush and being treated like dirt by some dodgy GA operator to gain flying hours is a thing of the past. It is 2007 we deserve to be treated like any of the other professional occupations such as Doctors, Lawyers & Dentists.
So embrace the changes and work with the low-time pilots sitting in the RHS next to you.
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Tin, I'm all with you on the improvement of pay and conditions/treatment etc blah! My comment was more directed towards those who meet experience requirements but don't get a slot for one reason or another. If I were an employer I'm sure I wouldn't be employing everyone who comes in for an interview even though they might meet the mins. There is an extra performance and 'X' factor there that some may be missing. And I certainly think that 'expecting' to get the job just because you meet the mins is probably misguided. Extrapolating that to a generational thing is an unfair broad brush stroke but hey, what's PPRUNE whithout a bit of sparring and baiting! 
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"quote" "what's PPRUNE whithout a bit of sparring and baiting"
Well I would love to get on the bandwagon but the moderators have told me I need to tone down my posts!
I am sure all airlines would love to employ everyone but like with any workplace you need to make sure you have people that fit well into your organisation. You can spend many years working towards the airlines but if you can't impress the people who are interviewing you it means nothing. Experience and flying hours will get you the interview but your personality and the way you come across in the interview will make them hire you in the end.
This is most likely the reason why some experienced pilots don't get their airline job.
Well I would love to get on the bandwagon but the moderators have told me I need to tone down my posts!
I am sure all airlines would love to employ everyone but like with any workplace you need to make sure you have people that fit well into your organisation. You can spend many years working towards the airlines but if you can't impress the people who are interviewing you it means nothing. Experience and flying hours will get you the interview but your personality and the way you come across in the interview will make them hire you in the end.
This is most likely the reason why some experienced pilots don't get their airline job.
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I am sure all airlines would love to employ everyone
Seems you have something against experienced pilots by this post and some others such as:
Well I take an objectional look at the industry. So I am not very popular with some of the narrow minded experienced pilots on this forum who have never experienced life outside aviation.
As for On Guard and others how dare you tell me to stop giving advice. If you don't want to hear it there is always the ignore list!
As for On Guard and others how dare you tell me to stop giving advice. If you don't want to hear it there is always the ignore list!
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Well I would never let my feelings translate to the flight deck. I know it is small industry so you have to play your cards right or it will be a very short career in Aviation. I am just sick of experienced pilots saying us low-time pilots can't fly for nuts and don't deserve to be given an opportunity to fly in the RHS.
As for experienced pilots never experiencing life I did use the word "SOME" For some flying is their life. It is the only thing they can relate to. They would be beside themselves if they lost their class 1 medical!
REX not hiring certain experienced pilots means they are lacking in a non-flying related attribute that is required in the REX work place.
As for experienced pilots never experiencing life I did use the word "SOME" For some flying is their life. It is the only thing they can relate to. They would be beside themselves if they lost their class 1 medical!
REX not hiring certain experienced pilots means they are lacking in a non-flying related attribute that is required in the REX work place.
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Since you know everything...
Tintin, perhaps you could PM me next weeks winning Powerball numbers.
I'd really appreciate it.
Also, could you put the rest of us out of our misery and tell me, are you 25 years old as your name may suggest? Or are you simply aspiring to get there?
I'd really appreciate it.
Also, could you put the rest of us out of our misery and tell me, are you 25 years old as your name may suggest? Or are you simply aspiring to get there?
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Mods...
Please don't close this REX thread like some of the others, how about you do us all a favour and bump Tintin down to Jetblast where s/he belongs?
Cheers.
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REX has realised that they need Generation Y so we will be flying your friends and family accross Australia in the near future. To the horror of some of the experienced pilots!
We deserve good working conditions with these cadet jobs and there is nothing all you experienced pilots can do to stop it happening.
Going bush and being treated like dirt by some dodgy GA operator to gain flying hours is a thing of the past. It is 2007 we deserve to be treated like any of the other professional occupations such as Doctors, Lawyers & Dentists.
So embrace the changes and work with the low-time pilots sitting in the RHS next to you.
We deserve good working conditions with these cadet jobs and there is nothing all you experienced pilots can do to stop it happening.
Going bush and being treated like dirt by some dodgy GA operator to gain flying hours is a thing of the past. It is 2007 we deserve to be treated like any of the other professional occupations such as Doctors, Lawyers & Dentists.
So embrace the changes and work with the low-time pilots sitting in the RHS next to you.
I can't wait for the school holidays to end
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TINTIN25
"I am just sick of experienced pilots saying us low-time pilots can't fly for nuts......."
So would I be.
Good stick and rudder skills are not a top priority in an "airline" anymore, this was confirmed to me recently by the CP of a major carrier. Sure the basic IF skills have to be there but good handling is no longer a requirement. For those that don't believe me, have a look, nose or tail on, next time there is a max x-wind and watch the people who can handle an a/c near the ground? You will find some of the landing pilots haven't even a knowledge of the basics and yes I am the first to admit that long haul crews do not receive enough practise. It is difficult for some to get the minimum landings required and nothing a few hours (thousands in some cases) tailwheel time, wouldn't sort out of course.
That is the real world of modern aviation. Some of the things employers are looking for are young, sharp and clever people who are prepared to learn and grasp the FMS's (Complex in some cases) and other avionics, including the A/P. For this you need to be young, with not too many preconceived ideas, therefore the learning process is that much better and quicker. A young cadet can be molded and programmed to airline operations beginning from day one. Man kind is fast becoming the weak link in the operation of complex machinery such as aircraft. Most of the time the computer does a lot better job of it than any human.
For myself FWIW am one of the "old school". Sure I can get what I need out of the FMS's etc but am nowhere near as sharp and quick as the young people in say their late teens to early 20's.
"I am just sick of experienced pilots saying us low-time pilots can't fly for nuts......."
So would I be.
Good stick and rudder skills are not a top priority in an "airline" anymore, this was confirmed to me recently by the CP of a major carrier. Sure the basic IF skills have to be there but good handling is no longer a requirement. For those that don't believe me, have a look, nose or tail on, next time there is a max x-wind and watch the people who can handle an a/c near the ground? You will find some of the landing pilots haven't even a knowledge of the basics and yes I am the first to admit that long haul crews do not receive enough practise. It is difficult for some to get the minimum landings required and nothing a few hours (thousands in some cases) tailwheel time, wouldn't sort out of course.
That is the real world of modern aviation. Some of the things employers are looking for are young, sharp and clever people who are prepared to learn and grasp the FMS's (Complex in some cases) and other avionics, including the A/P. For this you need to be young, with not too many preconceived ideas, therefore the learning process is that much better and quicker. A young cadet can be molded and programmed to airline operations beginning from day one. Man kind is fast becoming the weak link in the operation of complex machinery such as aircraft. Most of the time the computer does a lot better job of it than any human.
For myself FWIW am one of the "old school". Sure I can get what I need out of the FMS's etc but am nowhere near as sharp and quick as the young people in say their late teens to early 20's.
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TINTIN25
May I ask what do you have against cadets?....I notice in your profile that you are an Instructor....you have the same attitude towards cadets as some in the industry has towards instructors....
Some people in the industry think that Instructors have no "experience" in the charter world or RPT....so how are "you" going to handle a dark and stormy night?...cos the guy who is interviewing "you" may think that all your thousands of hours of "experience" is going around in circles in the circuit. Can you simulate a dark and stormy night in the circuit with a new student?
In my time I have seen people from different backgrounds with different experience. Some are cadets, some instructors, some are very experience jet drivers....I've seen some very experienced pilots fail simulators whilst cadets do a great job. Same goes with online flying. At the same time some cadets are very slow and do "freeze".
I just wonder TINTIN25 if you could get out of your bubble world for a bit....
Not everyone is lucky like you to be living in Australia where there Aero Clubs you could join and hire a plane and go flying with the girlfriend on the weekend....or a GA industry where you could go and gain some "experience" and get those "hours".
Some countries around the world, for those young people who have a passion for flying has only 2 choices...join the Airforce or be a Cadet for the airlines. Where can these young people go to get the "dark and stormy night" experience?....Dare I say....they can come to Australia!!....but then people like you will put sh*t on them for taking your jobs!!
May I ask what do you have against cadets?....I notice in your profile that you are an Instructor....you have the same attitude towards cadets as some in the industry has towards instructors....
Some people in the industry think that Instructors have no "experience" in the charter world or RPT....so how are "you" going to handle a dark and stormy night?...cos the guy who is interviewing "you" may think that all your thousands of hours of "experience" is going around in circles in the circuit. Can you simulate a dark and stormy night in the circuit with a new student?
In my time I have seen people from different backgrounds with different experience. Some are cadets, some instructors, some are very experience jet drivers....I've seen some very experienced pilots fail simulators whilst cadets do a great job. Same goes with online flying. At the same time some cadets are very slow and do "freeze".
I just wonder TINTIN25 if you could get out of your bubble world for a bit....
Not everyone is lucky like you to be living in Australia where there Aero Clubs you could join and hire a plane and go flying with the girlfriend on the weekend....or a GA industry where you could go and gain some "experience" and get those "hours".
Some countries around the world, for those young people who have a passion for flying has only 2 choices...join the Airforce or be a Cadet for the airlines. Where can these young people go to get the "dark and stormy night" experience?....Dare I say....they can come to Australia!!....but then people like you will put sh*t on them for taking your jobs!!
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TinTin....
You sound like you have already been excepted into a major airline...
Things may be getting tight in regard to pilot numbers but let me tell you a little secret!!!!
THEY DO NOT WANT FARKWITS LIKE YOU!!!!!!!
Don't think for one minute that becaue you have a few hours in your book you are an automatic selection for a jet/turbo prop job...Interviewers will work out your a d#ckhead in 5 minutes...
I suggest you work on your Gen Y atitude a little bit and you my have some chance.........but I think that's doubtful..
You sound like you have already been excepted into a major airline...
Things may be getting tight in regard to pilot numbers but let me tell you a little secret!!!!
THEY DO NOT WANT FARKWITS LIKE YOU!!!!!!!
Don't think for one minute that becaue you have a few hours in your book you are an automatic selection for a jet/turbo prop job...Interviewers will work out your a d#ckhead in 5 minutes...
I suggest you work on your Gen Y atitude a little bit and you my have some chance.........but I think that's doubtful..