REX. Knocking back quailified pilots
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REX. Knocking back quailified pilots
Nothing too mysterious in this!
You ever seen a quail fly?
Lots of furious fluttering before a gradual descent into the scrub.
Not really what REX are looking for, IMHO!
Dr
Nothing too mysterious in this!
You ever seen a quail fly?
Lots of furious fluttering before a gradual descent into the scrub.
Not really what REX are looking for, IMHO!
Dr
Good one Doc, except I think they all missed it. Wasted on them.....
Maybe that's why Rex knocks them back......
J
Just kidding guys, spelling and subtle gags are not prerequisites I am sure!
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Young inexperienced guys will last longer in the company. They will also adapt to the sop's much smoother and why would an experienced pilot want to work for REX anyway? Older, experienced pilots demand higher salaries or rates. I have seen very sharp young pilots with around 1000 hours who are very good! They wouldn't complain much and would be happy about the fact that they are flying turbines, which is a big step from pistons. REX is just a stepping stone for bigger and better things!!!! And i am glad REX are doing this, it gives us young pilots a chance to prove ourselves. REX have a very high standard and whether you are experienced or not REX have given everyone the opportunity to prove themselves with high expectations. I agree, life’s been difficult for some pilots... I say just be happy!
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My first ever airline interview was with Kendalls and I didn't get in.
The reason why in my opinion I didn't get a job offer, was because I didn't know how to answer the interview questions and I screwed the sim ride up. It took me a further 3 attempts to get into an airline. Just because you have the minium requirements or even 5 times their minium requirements doesn't mean you are a shoe in if you get offered an interview.
It took me 2 interviews to get a job with my current employer. The first time I screwed up the interview again, and a couple of years later had another go. The second time around I done a lot of preperation before the interview and the whole prosess was a breeze, hence I got a job. Prior preperation and having some idea of what to expect will always make the process easier.
The airline that I fly for has cadets and has done so for a long time and to be quite honest, the pilots who have come through the cadet program who now are Captains, are a lot easier to fly with than pilots who have been direct entry Captains or First Officers. They operate 100% by the SOPs, were as some of the direct entry pilots insist to operate sometimes against the SOPs for no obvious reason. I can now understand why airlines would prefer to employ cadets or low time pilots over high time pilots, especially if the high time pilots have come out of GA with no 2 crew experience. Trust me it can be hard to train an old dog new tricks, personality has a lot to do with it as well.
Who ever that idiot was who recons that all the cowboys come from the bush, pull your head in mate. There are a lot of ex bush pilots flying airliners around the world, and I'm one myself.
The reason why in my opinion I didn't get a job offer, was because I didn't know how to answer the interview questions and I screwed the sim ride up. It took me a further 3 attempts to get into an airline. Just because you have the minium requirements or even 5 times their minium requirements doesn't mean you are a shoe in if you get offered an interview.
It took me 2 interviews to get a job with my current employer. The first time I screwed up the interview again, and a couple of years later had another go. The second time around I done a lot of preperation before the interview and the whole prosess was a breeze, hence I got a job. Prior preperation and having some idea of what to expect will always make the process easier.
The airline that I fly for has cadets and has done so for a long time and to be quite honest, the pilots who have come through the cadet program who now are Captains, are a lot easier to fly with than pilots who have been direct entry Captains or First Officers. They operate 100% by the SOPs, were as some of the direct entry pilots insist to operate sometimes against the SOPs for no obvious reason. I can now understand why airlines would prefer to employ cadets or low time pilots over high time pilots, especially if the high time pilots have come out of GA with no 2 crew experience. Trust me it can be hard to train an old dog new tricks, personality has a lot to do with it as well.
Who ever that idiot was who recons that all the cowboys come from the bush, pull your head in mate. There are a lot of ex bush pilots flying airliners around the world, and I'm one myself.
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"quote" Who ever that idiot was who recons that all the cowboys come from the bush, pull your head in mate. There are a lot of ex bush pilots flying airliners around the world, and I'm one myself.
Well I will clarify that. I think I mixed up my words. What I mean by saying cowboys is undesirable behaviour traits some pilots have whether you fly in the city or country.
Glad to see Duck Pilot embraces change in the industry. A very balanced post.
Well I will clarify that. I think I mixed up my words. What I mean by saying cowboys is undesirable behaviour traits some pilots have whether you fly in the city or country.
Glad to see Duck Pilot embraces change in the industry. A very balanced post.
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REX have a very high standard
I am curious to know, which SOP's won out? Kendell (Ansett) or Hazelton (GA).....
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Good thing, that about taking prospective employees down to the pub as a night out socially will tell you a lot more about a person than all these phycho tests etc. I've seen guys ace the psychometric tests and nothing else, then show at a later date, every personality defect known to man.
TINTIN,
I take my words back, you aren't an idiot. I even mix my words up from time to time.
My views come from experience, 2 years ago I would also have been unhappy with high time pilots not getting a look in over low times. I feel that given the advanced technology that is in the average airliner these days, it can be hard for an older pilot to adapt to the technology. The other problem is that the GA fleet isn't advancing ahead as quick as the airline fleet. I know that most of the cadet programs are geared around multi crew flying from day one. I still strongly believe that cadets/low time pilots should be exposed to some form of command flying in the real world, to enable them to be able to develop the skills to make important decisions in less than ideal situations, ie adverse weather conditions, emergencies, etc without being in a controlled enviroment or have big brother sitting next to them assisting when things start to go pear shaped, this is very important.
Assesment at the pub, well alcohol and aviation don't mix but I must say alcohol can bring out the true colours of some people. Referance checks can be another way to getting an insight into the personality of an applicant, either personal or professional.
I take my words back, you aren't an idiot. I even mix my words up from time to time.
My views come from experience, 2 years ago I would also have been unhappy with high time pilots not getting a look in over low times. I feel that given the advanced technology that is in the average airliner these days, it can be hard for an older pilot to adapt to the technology. The other problem is that the GA fleet isn't advancing ahead as quick as the airline fleet. I know that most of the cadet programs are geared around multi crew flying from day one. I still strongly believe that cadets/low time pilots should be exposed to some form of command flying in the real world, to enable them to be able to develop the skills to make important decisions in less than ideal situations, ie adverse weather conditions, emergencies, etc without being in a controlled enviroment or have big brother sitting next to them assisting when things start to go pear shaped, this is very important.
Assesment at the pub, well alcohol and aviation don't mix but I must say alcohol can bring out the true colours of some people. Referance checks can be another way to getting an insight into the personality of an applicant, either personal or professional.
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"quote" I know that most of the cadet programs are geared around multi crew flying from day one.
This where I think the industry has got it wrong!
I know from my own experience doing my big nav around Australia to build command time before the CPL test was a real charachter building experience. It is important to be able to prove your flying skills to yourself away from your familiar home aerodrome and without an instructor to fix things if you screw up.
I say train them to fly solo up until they have passed their CPL test and then begin training them for multi-crew operations.
If they don't know what flying solo feels like it is very likely they may fall apart oneday when they have a few hundred people onboard and the Captain suddenly drops dead!
This where I think the industry has got it wrong!
I know from my own experience doing my big nav around Australia to build command time before the CPL test was a real charachter building experience. It is important to be able to prove your flying skills to yourself away from your familiar home aerodrome and without an instructor to fix things if you screw up.
I say train them to fly solo up until they have passed their CPL test and then begin training them for multi-crew operations.
If they don't know what flying solo feels like it is very likely they may fall apart oneday when they have a few hundred people onboard and the Captain suddenly drops dead!
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Why would they do you think they will fall apart TINTIN25?....just because you've done some "big nav" around Australia makes you better?
Just so you know....there are procedures for "almost" everything in the big jet Airlines....and for those situations where procedures does not exists....well this is where you learn from the "captains" who you think will drop dead.
Just so you know....there are procedures for "almost" everything in the big jet Airlines....and for those situations where procedures does not exists....well this is where you learn from the "captains" who you think will drop dead.
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Monk - Well maybe some might have it together but if you have never experienced being scared by say a weather situation you have got yourself into in a real plane then how do you think it will be up there on the infamous dark & stormy night? Maybe they can simulate these situations in the simulator? Procedures for everything as you say. It aint the same as experiencing it for real. Why should the Captain be the only one to have experienced things like that!
I am not saying as quoted "I am better than anyone else." The point I am trying to make is any command time is going to make you better at making decisions when you have to step into the Captains shoes.
I fully support low time pilots being trained for multi-crew operations but I do think they need to have a component to the training where they need to be able to make command decisions in real planes. You don't get that by doing all your hours in a simulator!
As for the Captain being incapacitated that is the freak scenario I should add. Very unlikely considering all the medicals we have to go through.
I am not saying as quoted "I am better than anyone else." The point I am trying to make is any command time is going to make you better at making decisions when you have to step into the Captains shoes.
I fully support low time pilots being trained for multi-crew operations but I do think they need to have a component to the training where they need to be able to make command decisions in real planes. You don't get that by doing all your hours in a simulator!
As for the Captain being incapacitated that is the freak scenario I should add. Very unlikely considering all the medicals we have to go through.
As far as I'm aware all airline cadets being trained in Aus (China Southern, Singapore, Cathay, QANTAS, Kingfisher etc) all fly REAL aircraft in command, make REAL command decisions and I would be fairly certain that most of them, just like every other student pilot in this country, at some point unload some REAL crap into their trousers...
"but if you have never experienced being scared by say a weather situation you have got yourself into in a real plane then how do you think it will be up there on the infamous dark & stormy night?"
Hmm!
Maybe I am missing something!
In 3000+ hrs in command I can't recalled ever being "scared"!
Somewhat concerned maybe? A little anxious perhaps?
Have flown a few "dark and stormy nights", but the day I am scared I think I'll give it away!
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Hmm!
Maybe I am missing something!
In 3000+ hrs in command I can't recalled ever being "scared"!
Somewhat concerned maybe? A little anxious perhaps?
Have flown a few "dark and stormy nights", but the day I am scared I think I'll give it away!
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Whatever you like to call it either being scarred, concerned or anxious it all means the same thing.
Do we press on into questionable weather or turn back. Do we let a group of drunk people board our plane! You may say I would never do that but people make strange decisions when under the pump.
If any experienced pilot looks back at their career I am sure they can recall a time when they were flying that they wished they did something differently. The experiences enable you to make better decisions in the future.
Will young cadets really have these experiences in a simulator?
Do we press on into questionable weather or turn back. Do we let a group of drunk people board our plane! You may say I would never do that but people make strange decisions when under the pump.
If any experienced pilot looks back at their career I am sure they can recall a time when they were flying that they wished they did something differently. The experiences enable you to make better decisions in the future.
Will young cadets really have these experiences in a simulator?
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TINTIN, I'll try and be nice
For starters, scared, concerned or anxoius are not always the same. Scared is reserved for when really really bad sh!t happens eg - beyond the scope of the emergency section of the POH.
I reserve concerned for things like oil pressure fluctuations, lightening at night without radar and anxious for the night before a renewal.
What we call questionable in GA varies widely with what you are likely to consider questionable flying a S340.
I hope so, especially if they're gonna be serving more free stuff in flight.
Probably not but after at least three or so years in the RH seat of the same a/c type each working day, with proficiency checks etc, one would assume that by the time they move to the left, they have a fair idea of what's going on and what they are likely to encounter.
( now what was this thread about again? anyone? )
For starters, scared, concerned or anxoius are not always the same. Scared is reserved for when really really bad sh!t happens eg - beyond the scope of the emergency section of the POH.
I reserve concerned for things like oil pressure fluctuations, lightening at night without radar and anxious for the night before a renewal.
Do we press on into questionable weather or turn back.
Do we let a group of drunk people board our plane!
Will young cadets really have these experiences in a simulator?
( now what was this thread about again? anyone? )
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