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A thread where ex PNG geriatrics lapuns and long longs can live in the dim distant past.
Where tall stories are accepted as fact. War stories are applauded. Grab a Brownie, pull up a story and join in a trip down memory lane!!! 
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Grandpa Aerotart
Nope...still there...great piccies of the Harvards waterskiing....not that I ever would have been so irresponsible...especially not along the Bensbach river after dropping a load of stuff for Bromley
Silly Old Git
Now now Chuck theres kids watching 
But I knew a chick whos boyfriend hadda mate that usda scare the bejeezaz out of canoe paddlers on Lake Kutubu.
He said he reckoned he could ski faster if yer dabbed on the brakes
Disclaimer: I know NOTHING ! kids do not try this with the bosses 185
But I knew a chick whos boyfriend hadda mate that usda scare the bejeezaz out of canoe paddlers on Lake Kutubu.
He said he reckoned he could ski faster if yer dabbed on the brakes
Disclaimer: I know NOTHING ! kids do not try this with the bosses 185
Grandpa Aerotart
I find myself pondering the statistical likelyhood of finding 4 mates, all current on Harvards, all good at aerobatics and skilled enough at waterskiing to be able to do it in formation...without a crapload of prior practice
tin the ex husband of my ex wife was of the opinion that 'brakes on' was deriguer.
tin the ex husband of my ex wife was of the opinion that 'brakes on' was deriguer.
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Chuckles....
I pondered that too. Digital trickery perhaps. Example..in the film "The Aviator" there is a scene where there this an apron full of Constellations. In reality it was on aircraft, the Vern Raeburn one, digitally duplicated so that it appeared to be 10 or so aircraft. Dunno, but four Harvards in line abreast seems doubtful to me. Unless of course this ex Husband of your ex wifes, cousin brudda can confirm that he actually SAW the said four airccraft in Line abreast, and NOT having just rolled out the local dero club either.!
Chuck... The Picture of P2-TIT brought back memories too. Yorkie talked me into test flying the aircraft out of the hangar after he had engineered it for Ron Slaughter. It hadn't flown for lord knows how long....6/7 years at least and had been parked out in the sun for that time. He assured me it had been inspected to the highest standards.! After I had done some intense inspection of my own, I taxied out and saw the veranda of the Aero Club populated by a gaggle of ghouls all watching to see the resulting drama. I am happy to say, none ensued and I parked it back at PNGAS after an uneventful flight. It worked OK but what a wreck.!! Ron asked Norm Sellen to tske it swsy, and as far as I am aware it is flying in NZ now.
I pondered that too. Digital trickery perhaps. Example..in the film "The Aviator" there is a scene where there this an apron full of Constellations. In reality it was on aircraft, the Vern Raeburn one, digitally duplicated so that it appeared to be 10 or so aircraft. Dunno, but four Harvards in line abreast seems doubtful to me. Unless of course this ex Husband of your ex wifes, cousin brudda can confirm that he actually SAW the said four airccraft in Line abreast, and NOT having just rolled out the local dero club either.!
Chuck... The Picture of P2-TIT brought back memories too. Yorkie talked me into test flying the aircraft out of the hangar after he had engineered it for Ron Slaughter. It hadn't flown for lord knows how long....6/7 years at least and had been parked out in the sun for that time. He assured me it had been inspected to the highest standards.! After I had done some intense inspection of my own, I taxied out and saw the veranda of the Aero Club populated by a gaggle of ghouls all watching to see the resulting drama. I am happy to say, none ensued and I parked it back at PNGAS after an uneventful flight. It worked OK but what a wreck.!! Ron asked Norm Sellen to tske it swsy, and as far as I am aware it is flying in NZ now.
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Grandpa Aerotart
No there is no doubt the waterskiing harvards are real...many witnesses and the pilots too well known for it to be faked. My only point is they must have practiced quite extensively, both solo and together, before submitting to the photo flight....information on a SA website suggests the actual pass down the lake that is the subject of the photos was one of 5 that day....lots of people there watching...all very well planned....apparently.
On a thread on Private Flying forum there is a picture of two Jodels waterskiing in formation and I have seen another of two cubs waterskiing on formation...this particular 'art form' is a lot more widely practiced than I thought.
While not essentially difficult to achieve it is a pastime fraught with potential embarassment.
It is all based around the basic aquaplaning formula...9X square root of the tyre pressure. Clearly there is also some benefit from really big tyres like the Tundra tyres you see on some back woods cubs etc...then it is more like plane waterskiing....although even at very low tyre pressure like tundra ones you have an aquaplaning speed of only about 25 knots...so any faster and you are happily waterskiing.
If you don't have the brakes on you risk wheel spin up which probably wont, you hope, effect the aquaplaning formula (if you are travelling really fast) but will spray a lot of water all over the place.
If you hit something solid in the water you risk being tripped and flip over...remember when we hit that cable on our forced landing in Moresby. It hit about half way up the tyre and we nearly went over, but we ripped it out of the ground a split second later
....even so our nose down attitude would have guaranteed the prop/nose impacted the water had we been waterskiing instead of 50+' above the road.
If you are not very carefull rotating to leave the water you may dip the tailwheel in the water or at least put the rear of the aircraft (horizontal stab) in the plume possibly slowing down enough that you almost stop aquaplaning and drag rises...quickly flipping you over.
The actual act of putting the aircraft on the water is the easy part...once you get over the pucker factor. The list of things that can go wrong after that gets a little scary....more so in a light/relatively underpowered aircraft like a cub than heavier/faster/more powerfull aircraft like a C185/Harvard....I would think.
On a thread on Private Flying forum there is a picture of two Jodels waterskiing in formation and I have seen another of two cubs waterskiing on formation...this particular 'art form' is a lot more widely practiced than I thought.
While not essentially difficult to achieve it is a pastime fraught with potential embarassment.
It is all based around the basic aquaplaning formula...9X square root of the tyre pressure. Clearly there is also some benefit from really big tyres like the Tundra tyres you see on some back woods cubs etc...then it is more like plane waterskiing....although even at very low tyre pressure like tundra ones you have an aquaplaning speed of only about 25 knots...so any faster and you are happily waterskiing.
If you don't have the brakes on you risk wheel spin up which probably wont, you hope, effect the aquaplaning formula (if you are travelling really fast) but will spray a lot of water all over the place.
If you hit something solid in the water you risk being tripped and flip over...remember when we hit that cable on our forced landing in Moresby. It hit about half way up the tyre and we nearly went over, but we ripped it out of the ground a split second later
....even so our nose down attitude would have guaranteed the prop/nose impacted the water had we been waterskiing instead of 50+' above the road. If you are not very carefull rotating to leave the water you may dip the tailwheel in the water or at least put the rear of the aircraft (horizontal stab) in the plume possibly slowing down enough that you almost stop aquaplaning and drag rises...quickly flipping you over.
The actual act of putting the aircraft on the water is the easy part...once you get over the pucker factor. The list of things that can go wrong after that gets a little scary....more so in a light/relatively underpowered aircraft like a cub than heavier/faster/more powerfull aircraft like a C185/Harvard....I would think.
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F100's
Heard a rumour recently (from Chuck's ex wife's ex husband's brother's nephew's next door neighbour), that somebody has applied to import 3 F100's into PNG. And it's not ANG (although I have heard they are getting another F100). Thought maybe Oz Ex may have heard about it?
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Apinun ol'geta wantok,
Just after some advice on flying back in PNG, im starting on a Bandit flying mainly coastal but from time to time a few highlands destinations. Any tips on surviving a tour of duty up there?
Just after some advice on flying back in PNG, im starting on a Bandit flying mainly coastal but from time to time a few highlands destinations. Any tips on surviving a tour of duty up there?
Grandpa Aerotart
In the highlands study the countryside you fly over in good weather so in bad you are less likely to get lost...anything that sticks out...landslides, funny bends in rivers, villages...the first landmark I ever learned up in the highlands was a single tree on a ridge near Kundiawa...it saved my bacon a bunch of times...when it was cut down 10 years later I was most upset...flew passed in a dash 7 and it was gone...I was inconsolable
Presumably you will be starting off in the RHS?
Develope an idea about escape routes and also study where the weather builds up first and where stays clear the longest.
A bandit is not the aeroplane to go poking around in valleys in poor weather...so don't...if you doubt me on this there are two crashed bandits within 10nm of Goroka...both pilots I knew...both were absolutely avoidable and completely stupid, unforgiveable crashes that killed a lot of people.
First rule about flying in PNG.
If you have plenty of fuel, an escape route (backdoor) and daylight you can safely explore weather....any one of those three not available.....run away.
Last rule of PNG Flying....see first rule.
Presumably you will be starting off in the RHS?
Develope an idea about escape routes and also study where the weather builds up first and where stays clear the longest.
A bandit is not the aeroplane to go poking around in valleys in poor weather...so don't...if you doubt me on this there are two crashed bandits within 10nm of Goroka...both pilots I knew...both were absolutely avoidable and completely stupid, unforgiveable crashes that killed a lot of people.
First rule about flying in PNG.
If you have plenty of fuel, an escape route (backdoor) and daylight you can safely explore weather....any one of those three not available.....run away.
Last rule of PNG Flying....see first rule.
I hope this doesn't contravene rules, but here is a movie sequence showing proof of concept for O/size wheels, that involves water-skiing in Cubs.
waterskiing Cubs
Chimbu, where are the photos on the PNG site?
185.
waterskiing Cubs
Chimbu, where are the photos on the PNG site?
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Sorry that I haven't been able to answer your question before now Chuck, due need for urgent replacement of computer. 
Anyway, I took those photos in 1984, so reckon it must've been Gridley. My fading memory thinks it was Phil rather than Tony, but I could be mistaken after all this time.
dwarfhunter... no, I haven't heard of any operator other than PX acquiring more F-100s. I understand that plans exist to phase out the F-28s by about October and replace them with F-100s. Lots of crews being upgraded to the F-100 and Pixie is busy retraining former F28 crews to facilitate the upgrading of current F28 crews.
Anyway, I took those photos in 1984, so reckon it must've been Gridley. My fading memory thinks it was Phil rather than Tony, but I could be mistaken after all this time.dwarfhunter... no, I haven't heard of any operator other than PX acquiring more F-100s. I understand that plans exist to phase out the F-28s by about October and replace them with F-100s. Lots of crews being upgraded to the F-100 and Pixie is busy retraining former F28 crews to facilitate the upgrading of current F28 crews.
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Thanks for the valuable advice Chimbu i hope i dont run into too many hairy situations when im up there.
By the way guys i managed to obtain a copy of the DVD that Nokuya metioned about a few pages back (thanks again Nokuya might see u when im in Moresby next time) about PNG bush flying im not sure but i think it could twin otters from the MAF fleet
But if some1 is able to host a site to perhaps share it around i could send them a copy of it.
By the way guys i managed to obtain a copy of the DVD that Nokuya metioned about a few pages back (thanks again Nokuya might see u when im in Moresby next time) about PNG bush flying im not sure but i think it could twin otters from the MAF fleet
But if some1 is able to host a site to perhaps share it around i could send them a copy of it.
Whatever it takes to keep this thread alive...
Pilot shortage hits rural airline
Missionary Aviation Fellowship (MAF) — the longest aviation company serving rural Papua New Guinea — has cut back its services due to a shortage of pilots. General manager Mike Jelliffe said in a statement yesterday that due to the shortage of pilots, the company had to restructure its operations. He said MAF was not able to meet all flight requests in some remote areas due to the shortage. He said MAF recruited pilots from all over the world but due to various reasons, some who have been scheduled for PNG have not come. Other pilots who have had their time here resigned and some of those spaces have yet to be filled. He said recruiting was not a straight forward case for MAF as those selected had to go through a one year Bible training program before starting on the job. “But we are hoping that before the end of the year, we should be able to get a few pilots who are currently undergoing training and getting their houses up in Australia,” he said. Mr Jelliffe said at the moment, MAF had the capacity to get nine pilots who could get straight into flying without delay. He said MAF recruits pilots from England, Holland, Korea, Germany, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland and a few other countries. He said the climate was not the reason for pilots not wanting to come here but it was a similar case with other airline companies in the country where a pilot shortage was becoming a concern. “We regret this inconvenience and apologise to our valued customers that we have had to reduce service levels like this,” he said. “We wish to assure the public that we are doing all we can to increase our pilot numbers and restore full service levels.” Mr Jelliffe said this month, Vanimo will be serviced by the Telefomin and Wewak aircraft. A pilot and GA8 aircraft will be based at Vanimo for operations by April, he said. The Telefomin Twin Otter will assist with Vanimo operations this month and Kiunga operations one day a week from April, he said. He said from late March, Kawito (Lower Fly) operations will be serviced by the Twin Otter from Mt Hagen and backed up by the Rumginae based C206. No aircraft would be based at Kawito for the immediate future, though Kawito base would remain open, he said. Mr Jelliffe said although all remote communities would be serviced, there would be a reduction in capacity for some areas. The Mt Hagen-based airline has been operating in rural PNG for more than 55 years.
I also see that the mins for F/O's at Airlink is down to 500 hours TT
Pilot shortage hits rural airline
Missionary Aviation Fellowship (MAF) — the longest aviation company serving rural Papua New Guinea — has cut back its services due to a shortage of pilots. General manager Mike Jelliffe said in a statement yesterday that due to the shortage of pilots, the company had to restructure its operations. He said MAF was not able to meet all flight requests in some remote areas due to the shortage. He said MAF recruited pilots from all over the world but due to various reasons, some who have been scheduled for PNG have not come. Other pilots who have had their time here resigned and some of those spaces have yet to be filled. He said recruiting was not a straight forward case for MAF as those selected had to go through a one year Bible training program before starting on the job. “But we are hoping that before the end of the year, we should be able to get a few pilots who are currently undergoing training and getting their houses up in Australia,” he said. Mr Jelliffe said at the moment, MAF had the capacity to get nine pilots who could get straight into flying without delay. He said MAF recruits pilots from England, Holland, Korea, Germany, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland and a few other countries. He said the climate was not the reason for pilots not wanting to come here but it was a similar case with other airline companies in the country where a pilot shortage was becoming a concern. “We regret this inconvenience and apologise to our valued customers that we have had to reduce service levels like this,” he said. “We wish to assure the public that we are doing all we can to increase our pilot numbers and restore full service levels.” Mr Jelliffe said this month, Vanimo will be serviced by the Telefomin and Wewak aircraft. A pilot and GA8 aircraft will be based at Vanimo for operations by April, he said. The Telefomin Twin Otter will assist with Vanimo operations this month and Kiunga operations one day a week from April, he said. He said from late March, Kawito (Lower Fly) operations will be serviced by the Twin Otter from Mt Hagen and backed up by the Rumginae based C206. No aircraft would be based at Kawito for the immediate future, though Kawito base would remain open, he said. Mr Jelliffe said although all remote communities would be serviced, there would be a reduction in capacity for some areas. The Mt Hagen-based airline has been operating in rural PNG for more than 55 years.
I also see that the mins for F/O's at Airlink is down to 500 hours TT
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By the way guys i managed to obtain a copy of the DVD that Nokuya metioned about a few pages back (thanks again Nokuya might see u when im in Moresby next time) about PNG bush flying im not sure but i think it could twin otters from the MAF fleet
But if some1 is able to host a site to perhaps share it around i could send them a copy of it.
But if some1 is able to host a site to perhaps share it around i could send them a copy of it.