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PNG Ples Bilong Tok Tok
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Good point FB,
However, I would have thought that your suggestions would be SOPs.
What ARE APNG F/O's duties on T/O? Why are they there?
As Tinny says, for many years PNG Twin Otter ops were single pilot.
So I ask- has safety been enhanced by two pilot operations?
However, I would have thought that your suggestions would be SOPs.
What ARE APNG F/O's duties on T/O? Why are they there?
As Tinny says, for many years PNG Twin Otter ops were single pilot.
So I ask- has safety been enhanced by two pilot operations?
Silly Old Git
I have spoken to a young man who flew as an "FO" on Twotters
I don't really think because of some "unusual" PNG, um, proceedures,
that he really had a handle on what the other fella was doing most of the time
How you solve this I have no idea.
I don't really think because of some "unusual" PNG, um, proceedures,
that he really had a handle on what the other fella was doing most of the timeHow you solve this I have no idea.
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What ARE APNG F/O's duties on T/O?
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Co-Pilot
Co-pilot??? You don't play around with the tiller on the take off roll. What's a co-pilot going to do about that other than try and pull the nose off with correcting rudder??? nah they just sit there frozen like most watching it happen.
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X wind in aTwotter:
If taught correctly is not an issue.
If left hand Aileron held down I use and teach two fingers (inside and middle) straddle the tiller, with the left wrist on top of the low (LH) horn.
If right hand Aileron held down I use and teach same two fingers straddle the tiller, and the LH horn on top of the wrist.
One of the biggest problems I have come across in a decent cross wind is people release the weight off the nose wheel too early, and it can have a tendency to weather cock very significantly:
The Twin Otter if handled correctly, will handle just about damn near all the X wind you can throw at it.
H/Snort.
If left hand Aileron held down I use and teach two fingers (inside and middle) straddle the tiller, with the left wrist on top of the low (LH) horn.
If right hand Aileron held down I use and teach same two fingers straddle the tiller, and the LH horn on top of the wrist.
One of the biggest problems I have come across in a decent cross wind is people release the weight off the nose wheel too early, and it can have a tendency to weather cock very significantly:
The Twin Otter if handled correctly, will handle just about damn near all the X wind you can throw at it.
H/Snort.
This isn't the first time I have seen an Otter looking like that,another company had an aircraft looking much the same at Sturt Island a few years ago,that incident/accident occured with a trainee captain riding the tiller,the poor training captain couldn't do anything to avoid the final outcome.
If trainee captains have this problem it must be corrected very early in their training. As for the FO being able to do anything,well as Two boobs said they will just sit there frozen watching the whole even unfold,and that's if they are even aware of what's going on. Also having two pilots fighting each other over control of an aeroplane on a short and wet slippery airstrip isn't a really good thing either,if the FO is going to take over and try and save the situation. Most Captains I know would be having serious words to the FO if this was happening.
If trainee captains have this problem it must be corrected very early in their training. As for the FO being able to do anything,well as Two boobs said they will just sit there frozen watching the whole even unfold,and that's if they are even aware of what's going on. Also having two pilots fighting each other over control of an aeroplane on a short and wet slippery airstrip isn't a really good thing either,if the FO is going to take over and try and save the situation. Most Captains I know would be having serious words to the FO if this was happening.
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My comment wasn't about fighting over the controls in a crosswind - it was about ASSISTING to keep the wings level taxiing, or early in the take-off run, or after landing and slowing to a walking pace - in other words, getting them to do what they are being paid for. In a jet or an ATR you can put a gust lock on for ground taxiing ops, not so in a Twin Otter. Twotter wings develop lots of lift, thats why the aircraft is STOL, and if one is getting more airflow over it at slow speeds - of course it will displace upwards. If the other pilot wasn't there at all then you would be following single-pilot procedures from the Ops Manual and wouldn't be expecting cooperation..
Read the post twoboobs, there is a world of difference with your perception, confusing rudder and tiller use, with aileron displacement.
Sorry to have to spell it out, I thought you were a pilot..
Read the post twoboobs, there is a world of difference with your perception, confusing rudder and tiller use, with aileron displacement.
Sorry to have to spell it out, I thought you were a pilot..
Silly Old Git
I'm thinking what sort of captains an FO might have come across in the days of the introduction of the Twotter in PNG
Some would have slept, some would have been tired and emotional, some would have tried to evangelise you and some would have tried to sell you a watch.
Some would have slept, some would have been tired and emotional, some would have tried to evangelise you and some would have tried to sell you a watch.
Wren 460
Storchpilot...that photo brought back a few memories...it belonged to a Mission on Yule Island...passing through there one day did a few circuits in it as the pilot was a mate. Must have been 1970.
Impressive performance from memory.
The pilot later went on to fly for Crowleys.
Impressive performance from memory.
The pilot later went on to fly for Crowleys.
Man Bilong Balus long PNG
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Some would have slept, some would have been tired and emotional, some would have tried to evangelise you and some would have tried to sell you a watch.
He was'nt referring to the ANO 28 dispensations either!
Silly Old Git
Some of you may not of seen these pictures
http://malumnalu.b logspot.com/2010/01/richard-leahy-p2-mjl-and-love-affair.html
http://malumnalu.b logspot.com/2010/01/richard-leahy-p2-mjl-and-love-affair.html
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I don't think "Trader" was still around in PNG when multi-crew ops commenced
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Traders
One of the ATC SOC's in Moresby spent his spare time and some company time and telephones trying to flog watches (I got two phonecalls from him within a week of my arrival)...circa 1972
...and which of the pilots was referred to as 'Mr Ten Percent'?
...and which of the pilots was referred to as 'Mr Ten Percent'?
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Hi Tinpis,
"I'm thinking what sort of captains an FO might have come across in the days of the introduction of the Twotter in PNG
Some would have slept, some would have been tired and emotional, some would have tried to evangelise you and some would have tried to sell you a watch."
As one of the first of a group of four pilots to fly the Twin Otter when it was first introduced to PNG in October 1967 to March 69, I can assure you that non of us fitted your description above. Young (27), keen and bright eyed would have been more appropriate. But then again we did not fly with a co-pilot - it was a single pilot IFR operation.
As for selling watches, that was the domain of a certain DC-3 Captain with the initials J.B.
"I'm thinking what sort of captains an FO might have come across in the days of the introduction of the Twotter in PNG
Some would have slept, some would have been tired and emotional, some would have tried to evangelise you and some would have tried to sell you a watch.
"As one of the first of a group of four pilots to fly the Twin Otter when it was first introduced to PNG in October 1967 to March 69, I can assure you that non of us fitted your description above. Young (27), keen and bright eyed would have been more appropriate. But then again we did not fly with a co-pilot - it was a single pilot IFR operation.
As for selling watches, that was the domain of a certain DC-3 Captain with the initials J.B.