GWA's rip off cadet scheme
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GWA's rip off cadet scheme
Looks like GWA are running a scheme to obviously make money out of low time pilots that might, just might get a small chance at a job.
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CONGRATULATIONS
You have been selected on the short list of candidates for a B1900
ground school with Great Western Airlines in Adelaide starting Monday
30th August 0900.
Places are limited and the cost will be approximately $750 per person.
The course is expected to run through until Friday 3rd September
On completion of the ground school all candidates must be willing to
self-sponsor a B1900 FO endorsement at an approximate cost of $7000
Great Western Airlines will only give endorsement opportunities to
candidates who excel on the ground course, pass a simulator ride and are
assessed by an interview panel to be appropriate for employment.
Both Captain and FO positions will be available in Perth and Adelaide
starting on a casual basis with prospects of a full time position
subject to performance.
Once selected candidates will be notified of a confirmed position and
will be required to pay a $150 deposit that will be non-refundable,
balance to be paid on arrival at GWA Adelaide.
BEST OF LUCK
I think its awful that more and more operators are starting to do this, can anyone explain more about it or is it really just a money making scheme?
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CONGRATULATIONS
You have been selected on the short list of candidates for a B1900
ground school with Great Western Airlines in Adelaide starting Monday
30th August 0900.
Places are limited and the cost will be approximately $750 per person.
The course is expected to run through until Friday 3rd September
On completion of the ground school all candidates must be willing to
self-sponsor a B1900 FO endorsement at an approximate cost of $7000
Great Western Airlines will only give endorsement opportunities to
candidates who excel on the ground course, pass a simulator ride and are
assessed by an interview panel to be appropriate for employment.
Both Captain and FO positions will be available in Perth and Adelaide
starting on a casual basis with prospects of a full time position
subject to performance.
Once selected candidates will be notified of a confirmed position and
will be required to pay a $150 deposit that will be non-refundable,
balance to be paid on arrival at GWA Adelaide.
BEST OF LUCK
I think its awful that more and more operators are starting to do this, can anyone explain more about it or is it really just a money making scheme?
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They have been doing it for years.
Used to be that you would pay for a 1900 endo and get 50 hours in the right seat. Once the 50 hours were up off you went and the next person who had paid for an endorsement got their 50 hours, and so on...
Cheap way to crew a struggling regional "airline"
Used to be that you would pay for a 1900 endo and get 50 hours in the right seat. Once the 50 hours were up off you went and the next person who had paid for an endorsement got their 50 hours, and so on...
Cheap way to crew a struggling regional "airline"
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Clowns Shmowns.
They do it because they can.
Because there is a willing supply of suckers ready to part with their money. Or are they suckers? That 7 or 8 grand invested to give em a couple hundred turbine could be the ticket to bigger and better things...?
There are many more out there like that, O'connors I believe "congratulate" you on being selected for their ground school, yet only the "top" suckers there get the privilege of being selected to pay for endorsements.
Funny bloody ****!
Doesn’t Sharp offer much the same? Yet with their cadetship you get that all valuable chieftain co-pilot time, way to go for 70 grand!
That’s the way of the world, easy to look at it now and laugh, but a drowning man will climb over another to stay afloat, no matter the price.
They do it because they can.
Because there is a willing supply of suckers ready to part with their money. Or are they suckers? That 7 or 8 grand invested to give em a couple hundred turbine could be the ticket to bigger and better things...?
There are many more out there like that, O'connors I believe "congratulate" you on being selected for their ground school, yet only the "top" suckers there get the privilege of being selected to pay for endorsements.
Funny bloody ****!
Doesn’t Sharp offer much the same? Yet with their cadetship you get that all valuable chieftain co-pilot time, way to go for 70 grand!
That’s the way of the world, easy to look at it now and laugh, but a drowning man will climb over another to stay afloat, no matter the price.
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Don't worry Windy
Not to worry windy, nobody here holds you responsible for what happens after you post it. The inital content usualy always looks better than it is.
GWA, like many others has been presenting these courses for many years. Some have made a start this way and many others have parted with thier money. As someone said earlier, look closely at all offers and make your decision wisely.
Windy, You do us all a service that rightly diserves the recognition that it reguarly gets on the OZJOBS posts.
Don't feel like an asshole, you are far from it in most of our hearts.
GWA, like many others has been presenting these courses for many years. Some have made a start this way and many others have parted with thier money. As someone said earlier, look closely at all offers and make your decision wisely.
Windy, You do us all a service that rightly diserves the recognition that it reguarly gets on the OZJOBS posts.
Don't feel like an asshole, you are far from it in most of our hearts.
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Great Western Airlines Scam
The Australian aviation scene has reached a new level of depravity.
I have understood that the practice of paying for an endorsement to get a job has been in play for several years now and unfortunately looks like its here to stay.
I have also heard about the scheme of inviting 20 people to a ground course when there is only 2 jobs - O'Connors began this little trick several years ago.
Great Western Airlines has raised the bar by employing the above two methods along with trying to charge $750 for the pleasure of sitting in on the ground course. (Coupled with a $150 non-refundable deposit).
The final twist in this audacious scheme is that even if you do manage to excell in the $750 highly contested ground course, pass a simlulator ride, pass an interview, pay for your minimum $7000 endorsement - you still MAY BE offered a CASUAL position.
I am sickened - take up this offer at your own peril and I hope you can sleep at night.
ru*uckingjoking?
I have understood that the practice of paying for an endorsement to get a job has been in play for several years now and unfortunately looks like its here to stay.
I have also heard about the scheme of inviting 20 people to a ground course when there is only 2 jobs - O'Connors began this little trick several years ago.
Great Western Airlines has raised the bar by employing the above two methods along with trying to charge $750 for the pleasure of sitting in on the ground course. (Coupled with a $150 non-refundable deposit).
The final twist in this audacious scheme is that even if you do manage to excell in the $750 highly contested ground course, pass a simlulator ride, pass an interview, pay for your minimum $7000 endorsement - you still MAY BE offered a CASUAL position.
I am sickened - take up this offer at your own peril and I hope you can sleep at night.
ru*uckingjoking?
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Hate to burst your bubble kids... At least they seem to be making no promises.
Have a crack at a company in DN operating B1900D groundschools for a hellova lot more than $750 and telling guys lies about job prospects.
I guess for the guys that laugh about turning down the opportunity to do a groundschool and subsequently missing out on the turbine job, please stop whining about your lives in GA and lack of opportunities to break into the turbine industry.
Take a look at the industry. Yes, it is sad at times, and probably not going to improve. In the UK, pilots are happily throwing thousands of pounds toward the chance to fly a 737... again with no guarantees, however, they are the ones that more often than not come out with a job.
Reality check time maybe?
Have a crack at a company in DN operating B1900D groundschools for a hellova lot more than $750 and telling guys lies about job prospects.
I guess for the guys that laugh about turning down the opportunity to do a groundschool and subsequently missing out on the turbine job, please stop whining about your lives in GA and lack of opportunities to break into the turbine industry.
Take a look at the industry. Yes, it is sad at times, and probably not going to improve. In the UK, pilots are happily throwing thousands of pounds toward the chance to fly a 737... again with no guarantees, however, they are the ones that more often than not come out with a job.
Reality check time maybe?
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Richo With respect, my friend, I can't 'totally' agree with your last sentence. I think it should read like this.
"(Windy)...Don't feel like an asshole, you are far from it in ALL of our hearts."
I challenge ANYONE to state that the Windmeister is anything but a gentleman and a great help to us that need it. Windy, there is no way you can be held responsible for a job advertisement's content. With the utmost confidence I can say that I speak for everyone who is apreciative of your effort without reward.
As for GWA and others like them........I'm with takeonme all the way. The ONLY reply they deserve. Well put indeed, mate.
"I challenge ANYONE to state that the Windmeister is anything but a gentleman..."
I accept the challenge!!!
But I guess out of the goodness of my heart I can forgive Windy's many transgressions over the past three decades!!!
He's one of a kind. (Thank Goodness!!!)
Woomera
"(Windy)...Don't feel like an asshole, you are far from it in ALL of our hearts."
I challenge ANYONE to state that the Windmeister is anything but a gentleman and a great help to us that need it. Windy, there is no way you can be held responsible for a job advertisement's content. With the utmost confidence I can say that I speak for everyone who is apreciative of your effort without reward.
As for GWA and others like them........I'm with takeonme all the way. The ONLY reply they deserve. Well put indeed, mate.
"I challenge ANYONE to state that the Windmeister is anything but a gentleman..."
I accept the challenge!!!
But I guess out of the goodness of my heart I can forgive Windy's many transgressions over the past three decades!!!
He's one of a kind. (Thank Goodness!!!)
Woomera
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The sad thing is that they are not even targetting the 200 hour strainght from flight school guys who would do anything for a job - they are looking at guys with 2000 hours who should know better by now what they are really worth.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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Reality check due here
Look at the job below GWA
Quote:----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
KING AIR B200 PILOTS
Pearl Aviation seeks qualified pilots for various NT bases. Min 2500TT, 750 M/E Command, 100 M/E Night Command, min valid CIRS, ATPL. Applications by 20/8/04 to: Theo den Haan, PO Box 500, Kelmscott, WA 6991, or email [email protected]
Qualified Pilots Implication: No endorsement no job.
At GWA pay for endorsement, have a (casual) job.
At VB no B737 endorsement – no job,
At VB supply (buy) B737 endorsement- base check required, fail twice- no job $25K+ down the gurgler
Jetstar, when recruiting from the masses the same.
Do Rex charge for part of their recruitment process, any answers?.
Fact is good old days, QF would fly you to Sydney on the Domestic leg of an International Service (before the merger), accommodate you (cheaply), run you through he processes then fly you home, ah memories.
Now buy 2+ return tickets from West Coast(or wherever) to Sydney for Qantas Selection process, plus accommodation in Sydney, plus $165:00 for S & P.
I would suggest that it would cost somewhere between $750:00 and $7000:00 by the time that the process is complete and not necessarily successfully.
Bottom line is you have a choice, if you don’t want to be part of it, don’t, simple really (although decline more politely than some here have suggested, you never know if you will cross paths again in the future, and circumstances have changed).
If you want it, take it, don’t whinge.
I am not justifying this instance, but as I pointed out at the beginning, reality check.
BTW the 2000 hour requirement for Captains is required by CAO in relation to RPT multi crew
Look at the job below GWA
Quote:----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
KING AIR B200 PILOTS
Pearl Aviation seeks qualified pilots for various NT bases. Min 2500TT, 750 M/E Command, 100 M/E Night Command, min valid CIRS, ATPL. Applications by 20/8/04 to: Theo den Haan, PO Box 500, Kelmscott, WA 6991, or email [email protected]
Qualified Pilots Implication: No endorsement no job.
At GWA pay for endorsement, have a (casual) job.
At VB no B737 endorsement – no job,
At VB supply (buy) B737 endorsement- base check required, fail twice- no job $25K+ down the gurgler
Jetstar, when recruiting from the masses the same.
Do Rex charge for part of their recruitment process, any answers?.
Fact is good old days, QF would fly you to Sydney on the Domestic leg of an International Service (before the merger), accommodate you (cheaply), run you through he processes then fly you home, ah memories.
Now buy 2+ return tickets from West Coast(or wherever) to Sydney for Qantas Selection process, plus accommodation in Sydney, plus $165:00 for S & P.
I would suggest that it would cost somewhere between $750:00 and $7000:00 by the time that the process is complete and not necessarily successfully.
Bottom line is you have a choice, if you don’t want to be part of it, don’t, simple really (although decline more politely than some here have suggested, you never know if you will cross paths again in the future, and circumstances have changed).
If you want it, take it, don’t whinge.
I am not justifying this instance, but as I pointed out at the beginning, reality check.
BTW the 2000 hour requirement for Captains is required by CAO in relation to RPT multi crew
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The sad thing is that they are not even targetting the 200 hour strainght from flight school guys who would do anything for a job - they are looking at guys with 2000 hours who should know better by now what they are really worth.
The guys with 2000hrs should know better? Well, I'm sure theyre all still applying. Why would you want to be stuck in a baron for another 2yrs waiting for a shot at Rex or VB.
Looks like it doesn't stop there...latest Australian Flying...
Turbine Endorsements on a Brand new PAC750XL
Complete Package of $3400...3 hours flying, theory and testing...
ICUS available at only? $250 per hour
Buy 4 hours get the 5th Free!
ICUS in a single pilot turbine, gotta help out the career!!!
Where do I sign up
Turbine Endorsements on a Brand new PAC750XL
Complete Package of $3400...3 hours flying, theory and testing...
ICUS available at only? $250 per hour
Buy 4 hours get the 5th Free!
ICUS in a single pilot turbine, gotta help out the career!!!
Where do I sign up
This is hardly a unique offer, unfortunately it is the way the industry has gone and continues to go.
Other companies that I can think of offering the same (or similar) deal:
Pelair
Transair
Skippers
Oconnors
lets not forget the QF cadet scheme
as mentioned above have (read pay) for endos to get interview or job with VB or J*, and most other airlines worldwide.
Not that I agree with it, but its commonplace and here to stay.
So I guess that narrows your Oz options down to QF DE, Sunnies, Eastern, Air North, RFDS or Rex if you want to fly a jet or turbine and not pay anything. But I have a sneaking suspicion that you would go and pay for an endo if VB gave you a call...
Other companies that I can think of offering the same (or similar) deal:
Pelair
Transair
Skippers
Oconnors
lets not forget the QF cadet scheme
as mentioned above have (read pay) for endos to get interview or job with VB or J*, and most other airlines worldwide.
Not that I agree with it, but its commonplace and here to stay.
So I guess that narrows your Oz options down to QF DE, Sunnies, Eastern, Air North, RFDS or Rex if you want to fly a jet or turbine and not pay anything. But I have a sneaking suspicion that you would go and pay for an endo if VB gave you a call...
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Sadly, this kind of practice has been happening all over the world for some time now.
Go to the USA and you can 'buy' any amount of multi-time you want.
$50 hour for freight runs is probably more value than $250 hour in a single engine turbine that is rare.
AT least paying for a 208 endorsement may be of use due to the number around the country.
Go to the USA and you can 'buy' any amount of multi-time you want.
$50 hour for freight runs is probably more value than $250 hour in a single engine turbine that is rare.
AT least paying for a 208 endorsement may be of use due to the number around the country.
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At VB and JQ you get the job and THEN get the endorsement if you haven't already got one. The difference being, GWA don't even guarantee a job only the promise of casual work IF YOU ARE LUCKY. That is a big difference.
Well, as far as I know they have 1x 1900 in PH and 1x 1900 in AD. Unless they both fly all day and half the night they are not going to need that many crew. 3 Crew per AC would probably cover it I think ?