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Old 24th Nov 2003, 20:04
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Qnim,

You were "brave" enough to start the topic. You were "brave" enough to make specific accusations. You were "brave" enough to name specific names.

You're not "brave" enough to admit if you work at the place in question?

I didn't ask you to get all "brave" and name yourself, just let us know if you're actually an interested party grinding an axe?

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Are we talking abour GCR here?

Just wondering what happened to VH-END?
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Justice or Vengeance?

Gentlemen, the thought of unleashing the CASA dogs on those we despise does seem attractive at times, at least until we become their quarry....

Personally, I don't particularly care about whatever the "meatbombers" do, in fact I only logged on to find out if you were referring to helicopter musterers. Gee, I'm from Queensland... I don't fly with them, or for them though.

However, I don't think you guys would really like to live in a police state, and that is the inevitable result of the sort of vindictive self-righteous grandstanding that is being displayed here, and on other forums.

The most disappointing thing about it all is that Aussies seem to be the masters of the game. Probably due to the extremely small industry here, resulting in very limited career opportunities, hence leading to bitter and twisted players.

Lighten up guys, Life's a bitch,.... but then you fly!

We are priveleged.
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Old 25th Nov 2003, 11:31
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QNIM

Here is something else to think about

CASA Instrument 278/97 3.3.1 Conflicting Traffic
The pilot in command of a private parachute aircraft must not allow parachutists to exit the aircraft if he or she is notified, or becomes aware, that there is conflicting traffic in the airspace in which the descents will be conducted.

The APF Descent Definition
A parachute descent, being the time from when the parachutist exits the aircraft until the parachutist lands.

My Interpretation
If the drop zone is located on an airport and the pilot in command of the parachute aircraft is notified or becomes aware there is an aircraft in the circuit pattern or between the exit point and the drop zone he must not allow parachutists exit the aircraft.

The Barwon Heads Airport drop zones are within 100 meters from both the N/S and the E/W runways and even closer to the taxiway therefore any aircraft in the circuit area would be CONFLICTING TRAFFIC.

By the way I would watch my step if I were you I think Cinders fancies YOU

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Life is a bitch but it is a bigger bitch when you fly amongst meatbombs
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Old 25th Nov 2003, 17:49
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nice call

Manwell
You dont know how right you are.
The only times i have gone on to this gossip pool is to remind people we are on the same team. How quickly they forget. Its a shame as we could be a really top bunch of people, instead we are known as a bunch of sulking whinging tossers who have nothing better to do than get everyone else in trouble to try to make ourselves look better. Oh well. Thats how it happens i suppose.

Come on guys, stick together! We have a great job, no matter who its for(as long as we do get paid. If you are not getting cash, dont do it. It screws it up for everyone else along the line) with the worlds best view! Lets not screw it up!

Take care chaps.

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Old 26th Nov 2003, 03:44
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CASA Dogs?

Gday Manwell
With out Laws and someone policing them all we have is Anarchy, wouldn't you agree.
If I break the rules particularly if it causes risk to life or property, I expect to be punished.

Gday C.A.
If trying to improve the safety of my work place makes me a tosser, so be it.

Gday rs480
As far as Cinders is concerned, I think you may be right.
Cheers Q
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Old 27th Nov 2003, 10:44
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You babble on about 30 people loosing their jobs & in the next sentence you say if closed down they will open up somewhere else. (We couldn’t be so lucky)
So who’s lost their job? it has only been relocated.
These people live like gypsies in old caravans illegally located on the operators land which have to be removed anyway councils ruling so what’s the problem?

You say the pilot is a good guy do you know he is reportedly a joint owner of the Cresco?
Puts a different light on things doesn’t it SAFETY COMPROMISED by a GREEDY OPERATOR & a GREEDY PILOT$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You and Manwell portray us as a bunch of sulking winging tossers & if that is because we promote SAFTEY instead of GREED you are right.

It is not only the SAFETY issues we have contend with at Barwon Heads how about

The Aero Club bunkhouse being broken into because the operator wanted to sleep 10 of his meat bombs for the night at $10.00 per head. Police notified.

A Flight Instructor head butted when he asked the operator to stop an unsafe practice. Police attended.

Pilots and aircraft and hangar owners told to F**K OFF you are not wanted on this airfield.

SAFETY barriers and level pegs removed from a hangar building site because the operator did not want the hangar built Police attended.

Private property damaged a star picket was rammed through the front of a pilots caravan which was on the airport Police attended.

The airport owners son threatened with a hammer by the operator because he was erecting a barrier which the operator did not want Police attended.

The airport owner (a middle aged woman) threatened by the operator (tough guy) over same incident Police attended.

Aero Club Members told they would have to pay a $40.00 landing fee because they had elected a President the operator didn’t approve of and he owned half the airport (the latter being a lie)
The list goes on its not only us that have had a gut full of this dipstick the cops have too.

But I don’t have to tell you and Manwell you are full of it “A”

Best thing you could do is sit down with QNIM & the BH you mention and get the full story not overheated crap from an overheated head in an overheated state.



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Old 27th Nov 2003, 19:20
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Good topic QNIM - this has certainly brought a few polarised opinions out of the woodwork.
Some time back I was tracking to the west overlying YBRS at 2000' just under 8/8 cloud. I gave an overflying call entering the CTAF boundary at 3NM. Shortly after when I was about 1 mile to the east of the field, I heard a call advising that canopies had been dropped. I did not feel entirely safe to say the least, as they could easily have appeared straight out of the cloud right over me or directly in front of me.
I made a radio call asking the pilot (somewhat facetiously I admit) which hole he had dropped through and guess what - no answer. A subsequent CAIR about the matter drew a reply that there was nothing that could be done about it as it was private ops with little likelihood of a potential accident. Who agrees with that? Here's hoping that the regulators will finally do something to stop such potentially dangerous situations.
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Old 27th Nov 2003, 19:58
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Hi all,

what an interesting thread this has turned out to be... The different sides of the story seemed to have unfolded and as usual opinions have run riot. I used to be a meat bomber, some of my finest experiance has been drawn from my dropping days.. I have worked up and down the coast even Barwon heads for a while. I must say this, not all DZ's are like this one and I have never been treated as bad as I did while flying for that mob.

Some things I think should be pointed out are... I personally would give a call on area and ctaf as to the position of the jumpers from the airfield and eta of them arriving on the ground 2 mins prior to exit. So anybody with a radio on on should know where to expect them. And I would still see small a/c blatting straight through the cicuit, without a squeak. The second is a porter can really make it back to the ground in 2 mins from 14000'. this is not pushing the limits or being a cowboy, its just what they can do (any porter pilot will tell you)

Finally there are some dodgy operators out there and I agree BH is one of them but most of them are generally ok.....
And for all the stressed out pilots waiting to be hit by a random meat bomb, try a skydive !!!! it clears the head .... cheers
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Old 28th Nov 2003, 06:11
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Well, at least rs480 has finally got to the point that is really irking him and QNIM! This reeks of a tiny little local battle that some players are trying to blow up into a global war against meatbombers. If you have a problem with an individual, don't leap to conclusions that all skydivers are rule breaking 'fools' or 'idiots'. QNIM should perhaps take one hand off his camera and the other hand off his lap. Get his eyes away from his rule book and outside his metal box. We all love the sky, and there is plenty of it to share. Is safety really the concern here? Or is the vitriolic quoting of rules really just ammunition in a very bitter and personal dispute?
I've noticed that these people don't like being corrected or challenged on any point. Will the subject be changed again?
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Old 28th Nov 2003, 10:38
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C.A. - how right you are - if there are differences they should work it out themselves.

rs480's comments about conflicting traffic - surely the pilot can pipe up if he/she thinks that skydivers about to drop might be conflicting traffic - isn't that why they call a couple of minutes before dropping?

BTW, would QNIM be from the same commercial venture that sent a low time pilot out a few weeks ago in winds at BH that exceeded the demonstrated crosswind component? Didn't that plane then crash in wind shear on approach back to the field?

Hard to fly among the eagles when you throw so much mud about!
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Old 28th Nov 2003, 19:19
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yep,too true

Guys!
How this tends to keep going.
RS480, i agree, this all sounds like personal crap. And just remember to check your sources of info. A pilot halvies in a million dollar aircraft. Let me state that again. A GA Pilot halvies in a new turbine aircraft. He must be on some wicked wage! Probably more true that the guy needs the cash to support his family and is just glad to be working for a wage. Just like the rest of us, trying to get by in an industry full of tight arses! Nothing unusual there.
But it sounds like you guys know what you are talking about so i could be wrong. Apologies if i am.

Safety. Now theres an issue. If this was all about air safety it would be easy. You do not state one comment from the top that is based on the aircraft and flying. Everything is political and ground based. Sounds like theres a few enemies made on the ground down there. And i once heard it from the horses mouth that all complaints were made to oust the operator and if casa couldnt get the guy, you guys there would try to get the pilots in trouble. Good attitude. Lets wreck these kids chances when they are just trying to get hours and make it in the big time.

I agree with the first point though. I was wrong, but your aim still sounds as though it is trying to close the company down and if you are sucessful then wouldnt those people lose there jobs. It may start up somewhere else but wouldnt that take time? More pilots on the dole queue. How unusual.

Remember mate, stick up for your own. Maybe even try and offer these guys some real work that you know of, to get them out of the flying they are doing. If you are really that worried about their well being. Otherwise you ARE just another tosser just interested in themselves, dollars and no one else. Maybe instead of all this fuss you should take a good look at your morales and ideals and think outside the square (the square shaped thing in your back pocket)
Stay cool.

Safe flying.
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Old 28th Nov 2003, 20:44
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One thing I did forget to add in my last statement was... I did not have any run ins personaly with the BH flying club in my flying time at BH but I must say they, and this is a generalisation that they were one of the biggest bunch of political pilot wannabes just trying to sh!t stir the pot and not get on with the day ahead...

One final point if no one wanted the skydivers on the field why were they allowed to stay and rent it from the owners????? Money talks ..... blue skies
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C.A.
The report on the Pilots share in the Cresco was in a full page spread in the Surf Coast News on the skydive operation put in by the operator.

I have written the facts as I know them and the only interest I have in this sorry saga is the SAFETY and WELL BEING of my fellow PILOTS.

I haven’t got a problem with anyone trying to get hours and make it in the big time as long as SAFETY takes priority over $$$$ but $$$$ seem to be a major priority with some of you Guys.

By the way C.A.you are a lucky chap being able to speak with horses maybe you will get a tip on a winner.



Living End
First you knock the operator then the aero club did you get on with anyone at BH or was every one else a wannabe except you???




Stationaire
Comments about conflicting traffic –
Pilots and the flight office have piped up when they were aware that skydivers were about to drop into conflicting traffic with a negative result.

To work out differences there must be communication and concessions on both sides, unfortunately to date this has not happened, but in working towards that end a SAFETY committee has been formed with representatives from all airport user groups and an AIRPORT SAFETY and OPERATIONAL PROCEDURE was set in place at a meeting Fri 28-11-03

If all operations adhere to these procedures SAFE flying should be the outcome.

Cheers


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I haven’t leapt to the conclusion that all skydivers are rule breaking 'fools' or 'idiots' some from B.H. are members of the Aero club and my friends but there are those who are and maybe we have copped more than our share at B.H.

Or is it the operator and pilot don’t care what’s between these poor ******s and the ground when they tip them out and race down for the next load?

It’s not a matter of liking being corrected or challenged on any point its get it right no pipe dreams.

Puff on
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Old 5th Dec 2003, 14:27
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Gday All

A little birdie tells me that the Australian Parachute Federation are having second thoughts about this operator, so we watch for further developments with interest.

Cheers Q
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Old 12th Dec 2003, 09:31
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Hi QNIM

Well up until now the silence on this thread has been deafening.
Then I heard the operator has a new pilot and this chap has been bitten by the CASA dog before so I guess it wont be long before it has another nip.

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I think you two blokes ought to grow up and learn how to operate with somebody else on the field.
All this whingeing and whining and taking of photos etc. reeks of a vendetta to shut someone down just because you don't like them, or they don't fit into your personal ideal of what you think aviation should be.
Maybe the relevant authorities are not paying enough attention because they can see through all the BS.
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Where do you guys get your info? Havent read anything accurate for a while. Pilot still sure he doesnt own the plane and maybe he got a haircut and you think its someone else new on the field but spoke to him today and he was pretty sure he was flying. Do you guys actually fly or spend your time purely on the ground writing and whinging about the people who do?

Surf Coast news. Now thats a great source of info. Id trust that more often! What is it, some kind of local rag that gets delivered free to your door? Go and spend a dollar and get a real paper or even spend 30 cents and ring and ask the source.

Backdoorbandit. Youre obviously close to the area! Do they really go around video taping all the skydiving to try and prove cloud jumping from the ground! Come on kids, why not go and hide a video on the plane that will give you actual downward footage.

RS480. I picked a couple of winners on the weekend. It must have been your good thoughts. Thankyou so much. Owe you one.

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Gday All

I heard a reply message from the meatbombers lift driver to another aircraft inbound YBRS wanting to know where the jumpers were, “ they are still in the back and we are coming down”. That’s a first for five years that I am aware of. Why the change they have never let a bit of overcast cloud stop them before.

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Angry It is only a matter of time!

You guys have NO problems.....should come and watch the carry-ons at a little airfield 60nm south of Sydney.
Pairs takeoff...one behind the other...about 30' separation.
Straight-in approaches (regularly) with apposing traffic (regularly).
Jump buddies leg fell off (prosthetic) at 10000'....no report submitted.
Regularly take the troops aloft through 8/8th...aircraft damned lucky if it is NVFR let alone IFR (which it isn't).
Regularly fly until after dark....no airfield lighting.
Chutes dropped with an IFR aircraft established on the ILS which directly overflys the DZ.
Witnessed a pairs beat-up three weeks ago which was conducted with bother aircraft flat knacker, in formation (30' apart) at no more than 50' AGL.....now these are a couple of SMART cookies.
Continual complaints about noise and there generally unsafe operations has caused the local community to form an ACTION GROUP to shut them down PERMANENTLY despite the operator being the owner of the airfield and aircraft.
No amount of complaints to either CASA or the ATSB (over 30 complaints, all justified,) in the past 12 motnhs has caused one hickup in this operation......not because there is insufficient interest but because one aircraft owner/operator in the group is the son of a well-placed big-wig in the APF

You guys reckon you got problems?
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