CASA Raids Meatbombers.
 

Gday
Just been informed that CASA along with police have raided the meatbombers at Barwon Heads. They took away boxes of stuff, I wonder what they were looking for?
Cheers Q

About time! thats if it is the person I am thinking of? I just hope the poor pilot he has working for him dosen't cop it.

Gday Robair
I have little sympathy for the pilots that flew in the conditions that they have, and dropping through 8 8ths cloud, without regard for the safety and lives of other airspace users in the area. I feel sure the management won't be interested in their well being, but I'm sure the management will be very worried as will those responsible in the Australian Parachute Federation for not taking any action after receiving many incident reports and ignoring them. I personally witnessed them jumping through cloud last Saturday morning when the cloud base was broken at 700 ft and overcast at 2000 ft.
CASA should be applauded for their action
Cheers Q

Sorry QNIM, If you think that the APF will do much you are mistaken. Unless there has been a complete turn about of their thinking and attitude.

QNIM
 

I guess you must also have known what flight rules they were flying under. You would look a bit foolish with that statement if they were IFR!

Flying IFR is not the problem it's the idiot meatbombs jumping in IFR conditions.
Obviously you don't know the jumping reg's
Who looks foolish now?

Instrument Falling Rules, maybe? (yok yok yok, I crack me up) :} :D

Gday Dale
It takes a certain type of person to take up the risks associated with meatbombing [rs480 must know some of them] I realise that but the total disregard by APF just proves that in this instance self regulation aint going work. With all that income coming from the operaters, it's like letting kindergarten kids take charge of the lolly shop.
Cheers Q

rs 480
 

The only obvious thing is that I made absolutely no mention of dropping through cloud, but rather FLYING IFR.
Don't know how you managed to interpolate that. Perhaps your language skills require honing. :hmm:

Spinnerhead

Quote: The only obvious thing is that I made absolutely no mention of dropping through cloud, but rather FLYING IFR. Unquote

The only thing obvious here is that no one is talking about FLYING IFR in this thread, they are talking about dropping meatbombs through clouds.

Agree with rs480 on who looks foolish!

Contribute constructively on the bombing not the flight rules. :rolleyes:

Great. Another slanging match about meatbombing.

With the depth of knowledge put forward last time it is little wonder people are getting raided.

Even squeaky clean organisations can find it hard if the feds decide your sector of the industry needs a shake up.

Keep up the good work.

Sorry QNIM, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. The APF, over the years , have attempted several times to deal with some alleged infractions of the rules by this operator, and some of them were simply jealousy and some were not. For several reasons, the matters that were fair dinkum, (and being in the industry for some time I was present at one), nothing came of any of them. maybe that was his good luck, maybe it was bad work of the APF's part. Sometimes, that's what happens when a self regulating organisation is "controlled" by the money it generates from it's own "membership" I know and have known several of the APF comittee, but just because one or two think something should be done doesn't mean the rest of the members do. The a/c you speak of however, may well have been operating on an IFR plan. There are/were approvals available for jumpers to enter and exit cloud on descent. I know not whether this operator has an approval for this. I would guess that the matters for which the police attended will have nothing to do with skydiving per se. They may well have simply been the means by which the APF conducted their business.

Gday Spinner
I hope for your own sake you do not fly or god forbid fly for meatbombers. Your knowledge or lack of is quite astounding. I know it is very naughty of me to quote regulations because most meatbomb organisations say"whats that" we can't understand them as they interfere with our income.
Lets start with CAO Part 29.1 which deals with Parachute Operations
4.2 The pilot in command of the aircraft from which the parachute descent is made and each parachutist shall ensure that:
4.8 A parachute descent shall not be commenced unless
(a) meterological conditions are such that the dropping zone is clearly visible to each parachutist at the commencement of the Parachute descent.
It then goes on to say that the parachutist must not enter cloud.
I see this as the pilots responsibilty to see that the above are complyed with or he/she is liable for prosecution.
Your Call
Cheers Q

Sorry QNIM but you are quoting rules that no longer exist.
CAO 29.1 was repealed a while back now.
Cheers HC

And what's the go with bombers dropping from FL140 with no oxygen? Maybe I've misread the rules, or there is a special dispo for this? If not, it is yet another blatent disregard of rules.

I worked (very briefly) for a parachute mob, and along with talking to other ex-meatbombers, know that these companies are the dodgiest operations around. Not to mention the exploitation of very low hour pilots.

When will CASA actually get real and do something to sort this crap out? :yuk:

Gday Happy
You can't be as your name suggests if you work for meatbombers, thanks for the info I bow my head to you, the copy I have is over 12 months old, but isn't the meaning still the same.
Gday Growler
Yes they normally do have dispensation to climb above 10,000 ft, the short time above that height doesn't reduce performance to any great degree. In answer to your second part, I think you judged them very fairly.
Cheers Q

Gday Dale
As of three weeks ago one of those so called professional officials from the APF advised me among a number of airspace users that no Skydiving orginisation in Australia had approval to drop through cloud then why do they continue allow these idiots to operate. I can only assume it comes back to the almighty dollar and stuff the rest of us airspace users safety
Cheers Q

For those in doubt about the reg's on dickheads dropping through cloud go to the APF web site and read the APF Operational Regulations 3rd March 2003 5.24 and 5.24A
The idiots in this case have applied for but DO NOT have approval to enter cloud.
By the way Spinnerhead no one said you mentioned dropping through cloud.
Now what was it you said about language skills requiring honing? (Get your mum to help)

rs480

Gday
Got some luvely photo's of them dropping through 8 8ths grey last Sunday, seems they will only learn when closed down
Q :yuk:

are they closed down????
I heard once that it was one of Vic's if not austrialias busiest dz's.
Having said that still gotta follow rulz