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FourStripes 3rd Dec 2023 22:38

The bottom line here is no US Airline will consider you for sponsorship since it is a lenghtly process, either via the EB category or H1-B category. If ever you do find a sponsor, you would still be shouldering the legal fees of the sponsoring company (don't ask me how I know)

The best and the cheapest way is to write your own EB2-NIW case, wait for the approval and arrive in the US as a Permanent Resident, again don't ask me how I know.

Otherwise if you are one of the lucky ones, you can join the Diversity Visa Lottery.

737pilotguy 12th Dec 2023 14:09

Final action date for EB2 moved forward considerably last night 👍
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a147e5c069.jpg

JoseLeon 15th Dec 2023 12:42

Received an approval yesterday without an RFE: Wide-body TRI/TRE with a military background.

Other pending RFE’s usually going after the NIW prongs.

If you have an aviation bachelors, to include aviation management, it is viable. The pure exceptional abilities clients are definitely more difficult and we carefully screening those.

Good luck to all as it’s very dependent on the service center and the adjudicator working your file.

Ash Ketchum 28th Dec 2023 21:09

Has anyone had success with an RFE recently? I self petitioned a few months ago and they challenged all 3 prongs saying that an airline pilot is not of national importance and that a pilot shortage is not a valid argument for national importance .

FourStripes 29th Dec 2023 23:14


Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 11563529)
Has anyone had success with an RFE recently? I self petitioned a few months ago and they challenged all 3 prongs saying that an airline pilot is not of national importance and that a pilot shortage is not a valid argument for national importance .


As Jose Leon mentioned a while back, it really depends on the USCIS adjudicator who will review your case.
The Service Center it ends up with also is a factor in the approval.
The way you wrote your arguments and the key points and other statistics you included is also a factor.
Your qualifications also play into the final decision.

There are 2 options for you:

1. Write a new case or
2. Answer the RFE and make a strong argument with lots of news clippings and pilot shortage statistics and charts.

good luck.

awair 30th Dec 2023 23:19


Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 11563529)
Has anyone had success with an RFE recently? I self petitioned a few months ago and they challenged all 3 prongs saying that an airline pilot is not of national importance and that a pilot shortage is not a valid argument for national importance .

Their reasoning is that the shortage is a situation designed to justify “that the labor certification will be successful”.

There are other, more reliable arguments for National Importance.

Ash Ketchum 30th Dec 2023 23:30


Originally Posted by awair (Post 11564831)
Their reasoning is that the shortage is a situation designed to justify “that the labor certification will be successful”.

There are other, more reliable arguments for National Importance.

Yes, after speaking to other pilots at my Canadian airline it seems that there have been other recent denials and RFEs and many have used the same "pilot shortage" argument.

From my RFE letter, it seems that a stronger argument would be a plan to help train American pilots at the airline level to advance the national interest instead of just doing airline flying as a line pilot.

I am thinking an airline pilot who is also a TRI/TRE or maybe a pilot starting an aviation business in the US and planning to hire American pilots would be a stronger argument and more likely to make it through.

Unfortunately, I don't have training experience at the airline level so I can't use that as a valid argument in my case.


awair 31st Dec 2023 21:29


Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 11564834)
Yes, after speaking to other pilots at my Canadian airline it seems that there have been other recent denials and RFEs and many have used the same "pilot shortage" argument.

From my RFE letter, it seems that a stronger argument would be a plan to help train American pilots at the airline level to advance the national interest instead of just doing airline flying as a line pilot.

I am thinking an airline pilot who is also a TRI/TRE or maybe a pilot starting an aviation business in the US and planning to hire American pilots would be a stronger argument and more likely to make it through.

Unfortunately, I don't have training experience at the airline level so I can't use that as a valid argument in my case.

This is a successful line of argument for the NIW. Even without TRE/TRI experience, you could advance that Command experience places one in a good position to Mentor, and hence benefit flight safety.

HotelGolfBravo 2nd Jan 2024 22:55

How does one start the process to apply for a green card with the EB2 coming from Europe? Outside of aviation I have a BEng and MSc from my previous career. Would this hold some weight when I comes to making the application?

Skipper21 3rd Jan 2024 15:43

Hi everyone, I can present you my case

I have been approved NIW, having around 9000 h mostly Boeing, involved in training for about 5 years, altogether in industry for about 15 years. I also have bachellor degrees in economics and mech. engineering. From EU, I have used one of the respected law firms for application, paid a lot of money for it, but must say they were very professional and competent. I was warned that there is no guarantees, so I went into it with my mind set that all the money and time spent can be for nothing, but I was lucky at the end. So now I am waiting for my date for visa...

I am actively working now on my license conversion. If anyone is looking for a sim partner or just someone to share some experiences about conversion or job search, you can contact me.
Good luck to everyone looking for a change!

737pilotguy 5th Jan 2024 09:10


Originally Posted by HotelGolfBravo (Post 11566815)
How does one start the process to apply for a green card with the EB2 coming from Europe? Outside of aviation I have a BEng and MSc from my previous career. Would this hold some weight when I comes to making the application?

I would recommend contacting a lawyer. My lawyer has been, and still is, great for me. Immigration is a daunting process and having guidance is essential (in my opinion). There are people that self-petition and succeed, but how you present your case to the USCIS is crucial to any potential success. A lawyer could assess your case and advise you if your profile could be successful. You must satisfy three prongs for an NIW. Good luck.

havick 5th Jan 2024 13:12


Originally Posted by 737pilotguy (Post 11568720)
I would recommend contacting a lawyer. My lawyer has been, and still is, great for me. Immigration is a daunting process and having guidance is essential (in my opinion). There are people that self-petition and succeed, but how you present your case to the USCIS is crucial to any potential success. A lawyer could assess your case and advise you if your profile could be successful. You must satisfy three prongs for an NIW. Good luck.

To play devil’s advocate, immigration lawyers have a vested interest to paint the picture that you have a good chance of being approved. They get paid if you’re successful or not.

awair 12th Jan 2024 13:40

No improvement in the priority date for EB2 with the February Visa Bulletin.

Skipper21 13th Jan 2024 08:36

Could someone explain what is a radio operators permit, that all the companies require for the aplication? Is there some kind of a training required for it?

awair 13th Jan 2024 13:12

First of all it’s an anachronism.

Domestic operations in the US do not require a radio operator certificate. Some other states include this as part of a pilot certificate.

The government agency issuing these permits regulates the airwaves, not aviation. This applies in both US and Canada.

Apply to the respective ministry in each country for the certificate. In this case, the FCC.

Good luck.

awair 13th Jan 2024 13:16

A quick search shows Form 605 is required. Try this link:

https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/support...e/fcc-form-605

bafanguy 13th Jan 2024 13:58


Originally Posted by Skipper21 (Post 11575240)
Could someone explain what is a radio operators permit... Is there some kind of a training required for it?

The only training is learning where to send money to the Imperial Federal Kakistocracy and their buildings full of useless cubicle droids.

Skipper21 15th Jan 2024 13:54


Originally Posted by awair (Post 11575404)
First of all it’s an anachronism.

Domestic operations in the US do not require a radio operator certificate. Some other states include this as part of a pilot certificate.

The government agency issuing these permits regulates the airwaves, not aviation. This applies in both US and Canada.

Apply to the respective ministry in each country for the certificate. In this case, the FCC.

Good luck.

Thanks guys, I thought so that it's something burocratic.

On another topic. Would someone that jumped from Europe to US recently share some thoughts about what are the biggest differences working wise. And I mean operationally, actually flying the aircrafts, handlings at the airports etc. I am wondering what I need to prepare myself for.

fisher22 15th Jan 2024 16:54

I submitted my EB2 case in June 2023, received an RFE in September, submitted it in December and finally got a response a few days ago, my case was denied. My argument was pretty much the same as everyone else's.

For context, I'm a run of the mill 787 FO, 8,000 hours, I did my flight training in the US so I hold both FAA and ICAO ATP, no significant PIC time, no TRI/TRE, did some instruction at a flight school.

737pilotguy 15th Jan 2024 17:01


Originally Posted by Skipper21 (Post 11575240)
Could someone explain what is a radio operators permit, that all the companies require for the aplication? Is there some kind of a training required for it?

There's no training required, it's just a tick in the box. You want the restricted radiotelephone operator permit.
Follow the steps on this website: https://www.aviator.zone/pireps/2021...et-fcc-license


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