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Nothing flight related as I can remember as that is not very intresting in a selection process; You learn all in ground school, but YES bring back your math skills.
Tests are conducted in about 3 hours. Not a whole day as SAS or Wideröe.
Tests are conducted in about 3 hours. Not a whole day as SAS or Wideröe.
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Math skills for pilots..
Griffin, I understand what you are saying about that they'll teach you what you need to know in training, but the training I have gone through so far in aviation is always based on certain expected level of aviation knowledge. I must disagree when it comes to the importance of including math problems and similar stuff in the selection process of new pilots. My beliefs are that math skills really don't measure your proficiency as a pilot, nor does it say if you are trainable or not.
A kid fresh out of elementary school will most likely perform better on those kind of tests than someone who has had several years in the cockpit. How often have you been mathematically "challenged" while in the cockpit? As you probably know simple add-, subtract-, divide- and multiply problems is pretty much what you will encounter when flying, and most of the time you will have graphs and charts accessible for this. If not there's also the trusty calculator.
Obviously this specific selection process is for FO's and the listed minimums allows fairly low time guys to apply. My bottom line of this post is that a person with a good background in aviation combined with a desired personality should not be judged on whether he/she is good on math or not.
I'll be the first to admit I'm not an Einstein as far as math or physics (but apparently smart enough to pass SAS's delightful psych evaluation
), I considered my math skills as average as a student. Several years later, not so sure that is still the case 
. Never really encountered that kind of challenge in my pilot career so not sure where I stand on that matter.
Obviously this is the game they are playing so if I'm fortunate enough to be invited for an interview I obviously have some studying to do.
I hope I don't come of as an a$$ in this post, I just don't see the relevance these tests have in a pilot selection. I'm sure lots of people on this board are of the opposite view.
To my fellow Swedes, what books do you guys recommend in preparation for math/aptitude tests? As previously mentioned it's been some time since I last had to do this. I'm over in the big county in the west so I need to order ASAP to give me time to study in case I get called. As far as I can remember there were a few books recommended to read before being grilled by the ladies at Interpersona.
And by the way Griffin, thanks for sharing your info in regards of TUI. Many of us have been away from Scandinavian aviation for several years and are not really in the loop
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FT
EDIT: I know it says "preferred" as far as bases, but if base does not really matter I assume it's OK to select all four?
A kid fresh out of elementary school will most likely perform better on those kind of tests than someone who has had several years in the cockpit. How often have you been mathematically "challenged" while in the cockpit? As you probably know simple add-, subtract-, divide- and multiply problems is pretty much what you will encounter when flying, and most of the time you will have graphs and charts accessible for this. If not there's also the trusty calculator.
Obviously this specific selection process is for FO's and the listed minimums allows fairly low time guys to apply. My bottom line of this post is that a person with a good background in aviation combined with a desired personality should not be judged on whether he/she is good on math or not.
I'll be the first to admit I'm not an Einstein as far as math or physics (but apparently smart enough to pass SAS's delightful psych evaluation
), I considered my math skills as average as a student. Several years later, not so sure that is still the case . Never really encountered that kind of challenge in my pilot career so not sure where I stand on that matter.Obviously this is the game they are playing so if I'm fortunate enough to be invited for an interview I obviously have some studying to do.
I hope I don't come of as an a$$ in this post, I just don't see the relevance these tests have in a pilot selection. I'm sure lots of people on this board are of the opposite view.
To my fellow Swedes, what books do you guys recommend in preparation for math/aptitude tests? As previously mentioned it's been some time since I last had to do this. I'm over in the big county in the west so I need to order ASAP to give me time to study in case I get called. As far as I can remember there were a few books recommended to read before being grilled by the ladies at Interpersona.
And by the way Griffin, thanks for sharing your info in regards of TUI. Many of us have been away from Scandinavian aviation for several years and are not really in the loop
.FT
EDIT: I know it says "preferred" as far as bases, but if base does not really matter I assume it's OK to select all four?
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All sorts of tests
Day one: maths-, psychological-, JAR Ops (EASA or EU Ops now I guess)-, IQ-, and verbal reasoning tests.
Day two: Interviews with managment, union, psychologist and a sim ride.
That is all I can remember...
With regards to the need for 10 F/O's, are there not Scandinavians in Thompson UK that could transfer? I have heard that they are too many pilots there?
Is the PPJN first year pay correct? 24500 SEK+ 5000 for HEL or OSL bases?
Thanks
Day two: Interviews with managment, union, psychologist and a sim ride.
That is all I can remember...
With regards to the need for 10 F/O's, are there not Scandinavians in Thompson UK that could transfer? I have heard that they are too many pilots there?
Is the PPJN first year pay correct? 24500 SEK+ 5000 for HEL or OSL bases?
Thanks
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I know a few scandis who fly for Thomson who applied but got "no thank you". They have to pass the same tests as evereybody else. Different AOC´s or something i believe.
Regarding the salary I think Your numbers are right but there are quite a few more fixed add on´s that will liven up Your pay check.
Let´s say like this: I have a better pay check now on the 2:nd year in BLX than on the 5:th year in a well known, well paid, turboprop operator in norse country.
Regarding the salary I think Your numbers are right but there are quite a few more fixed add on´s that will liven up Your pay check.
Let´s say like this: I have a better pay check now on the 2:nd year in BLX than on the 5:th year in a well known, well paid, turboprop operator in norse country.
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Let´s say like this: I have a better pay check now on the 2:nd year in BLX than on the 5:th year in a well known, well paid, turboprop operator in norse country.
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Well hey Mr D in the former UK colony ;-) I think You know who I am... I lived in the Pink Box in ENDU and I am not of norwegian nationality ;-)
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Hence the in my post ..... couldn't resist. Any chance to kick some sand in the Evenes direction. I know who you are, but I do miss the 2000 suffix.
Anyways, good to hear things are good for you and TUI. Everyone I've flown with only has good things to say about their time there. We should have a beer next time I'm home.
in my post ..... couldn't resist. Any chance to kick some sand in the Evenes direction. I know who you are, but I do miss the 2000 suffix. Anyways, good to hear things are good for you and TUI. Everyone I've flown with only has good things to say about their time there. We should have a beer next time I'm home.
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Hi guys.
I'm a dane who's been with Thomson for 3 years now, and I can tell you, that Thomson has been informed by TUI fly Nordic, that they are looking to recruit. - We even had a notice issued.
So I can only expect that we are the top of the pile, especially because we fly the same operations on the same a/c with the same sops. (Not that I'm going to apply, the pay is far too low!!) Having said that, they have let a few T. pilots down in the past..
In the past all you needed to transfer from Thomson to TUI Nordic, was the interview and not all the rest, as it's the same as in Thomson.. Can't imagine that to have changed.
Just thought I'd share a bit of info.. Good luck to you all!!
I'm a dane who's been with Thomson for 3 years now, and I can tell you, that Thomson has been informed by TUI fly Nordic, that they are looking to recruit. - We even had a notice issued.
So I can only expect that we are the top of the pile, especially because we fly the same operations on the same a/c with the same sops. (Not that I'm going to apply, the pay is far too low!!) Having said that, they have let a few T. pilots down in the past..
In the past all you needed to transfer from Thomson to TUI Nordic, was the interview and not all the rest, as it's the same as in Thomson.. Can't imagine that to have changed.
Just thought I'd share a bit of info.. Good luck to you all!!
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That´s not information.
Anyone meeting the requirements can and should apply, no one has a back door in.
Could it be that T.fly pilots "let down" just come across as people the interviewers (management and union pilots) didn´t see a future for on our flightdecks?
Better pay in the UK? Absolutely!
Lifestyle? Ask the 40(ish) fairly senior Thomson pilots joining us (again) for the winter season.
The deal is very competitive for anyone wanting to live in the Nordic countries.
Logically BLX would be looking for finnish pilots, after all the advertised base is Helsinki. By not hiring finnish pilots all they will be getting is a bunch of pilots wanting a move (sooner or later) to a base closer to home.
Realistically BLX will hire the boys and girls that pass the selection. They will have various backgrounds and experience levels but all with personalities that fit our group.
That said, everyone meeting the criterias should apply! If you want pointers for the selection process try a search on the site. Thomsonfly/Britannia as searchwords may give you some hints for the selection
Good luck!
A/M
Anyone meeting the requirements can and should apply, no one has a back door in.
Could it be that T.fly pilots "let down" just come across as people the interviewers (management and union pilots) didn´t see a future for on our flightdecks?
Better pay in the UK? Absolutely!
Lifestyle? Ask the 40(ish) fairly senior Thomson pilots joining us (again) for the winter season.
The deal is very competitive for anyone wanting to live in the Nordic countries.
Logically BLX would be looking for finnish pilots, after all the advertised base is Helsinki. By not hiring finnish pilots all they will be getting is a bunch of pilots wanting a move (sooner or later) to a base closer to home.
Realistically BLX will hire the boys and girls that pass the selection. They will have various backgrounds and experience levels but all with personalities that fit our group.
That said, everyone meeting the criterias should apply! If you want pointers for the selection process try a search on the site. Thomsonfly/Britannia as searchwords may give you some hints for the selection
Good luck!
A/M
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Regarding the selection process, I gave it a shot i 2007 but neither the first nore the second stage had any JAR-OPS questions. Though things might have changed... I wouldn´t know since they have a 2 year "quarantine" for people who pass stage 1, but not selected after completing stage 2.
Best of luck!
Best of luck!
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Hi A/M
I agree with you 100%. All I'm saying is that it would be weird if Tfly pilots wouldn't be looked at first. even our management is saying so.. Whether they do or not, I don't know.. So definitely, everybody who wishes to join BLX, should give it a go!! Never suggested anything different..
I know it's a great company to work for, which is why I've told my mates to apply asap. A shame with the pay, cos otherwise I would be very tempted to give it a go as well.
About the 40 odd pilots who are joining you from Tfly, (know a few of them) they all enjoy flying for you, and I hope to get a chance to come over there as well at same point.. But how many of them have applied for a job?? Bottom line is, both companies are great to work for, probably some of the best around. - Lets hope its staying that way!!
About the Tfly pilots who didn't get in.. Of course, they should be assessed at the interview like everybody else, so there's no guarantee to get in, just because we are wearing the same uniform.
Just wrote the info, because somebody was talking about Tfly pilots moving over...
I agree with you 100%. All I'm saying is that it would be weird if Tfly pilots wouldn't be looked at first. even our management is saying so.. Whether they do or not, I don't know.. So definitely, everybody who wishes to join BLX, should give it a go!! Never suggested anything different..
I know it's a great company to work for, which is why I've told my mates to apply asap. A shame with the pay, cos otherwise I would be very tempted to give it a go as well.
About the 40 odd pilots who are joining you from Tfly, (know a few of them) they all enjoy flying for you, and I hope to get a chance to come over there as well at same point.. But how many of them have applied for a job?? Bottom line is, both companies are great to work for, probably some of the best around. - Lets hope its staying that way!!
About the Tfly pilots who didn't get in.. Of course, they should be assessed at the interview like everybody else, so there's no guarantee to get in, just because we are wearing the same uniform.
Just wrote the info, because somebody was talking about Tfly pilots moving over...
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Originally Posted by coltrane
Could you give me an idea about the basic pay and sactor pay?
Basic salary + fixed addons: 33300 + 5000 (for HEL base) = 38300 SEK
50 block hours x 75 SEK = 3750, making it a total of 42000 SEK / month.
Year 5 (same conditions): 51700 SEK
Year 11 (same conditions, but now as a commander): 98200 SEK
Per diem (traktamente) not included in the above. When comparing with payments abroad, it could be worth to remember that the pension scheme is very good at BLX
Originally Posted by Griffin
This is a seriuos company with one of the best T&C´s for pilots in Scandinavia
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Problem submitting application
Am I the only one having trouble submitting the application?
I just filled out all the mandatory fields but when I got to the final page and clicked on "Send Application" it only says "waiting for fritid.easycruit.com" in the lower left corner. The window shows to be loading for several minutes but that is as far as it goes. I have tried a couple of times with the same result.
EDIT: Just received an "Application received" email, so I guess it went through after all. Was expecting to get a confirmation of "application submitted" type on the actual application page. Oh well, this works just as good.
I just filled out all the mandatory fields but when I got to the final page and clicked on "Send Application" it only says "waiting for fritid.easycruit.com" in the lower left corner. The window shows to be loading for several minutes but that is as far as it goes. I have tried a couple of times with the same result.
EDIT: Just received an "Application received" email, so I guess it went through after all. Was expecting to get a confirmation of "application submitted" type on the actual application page. Oh well, this works just as good.
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