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Does anyone know if they are hiring F/Os at the moment? If they are, do they still require you to provide a 73 rating at own cost? I have tried to get a hold of them several times lately but it seems hard to get to the right person.
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Don`t know, but I`m pretty sure that if they decided they can no longer have the 737 rating as a requirement for employment, then you`ll probably hear it here first.
Thought all their info was through their website...? If they`re hiring, then there should be an ad there for F/Os and the current requirements.
Thought all their info was through their website...? If they`re hiring, then there should be an ad there for F/Os and the current requirements.
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Knowing the industry, the info on the websites are often out of date. Just wondering if anyone in the company or someone who has attended interiews recently knew anything.
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I believe a few courses are planned for in the fall sometime. Right now there are a lot of F/O's in respect to the number of aircraft currently in the fleet. Of course the amount of aircraft will increase substantially from now and until 2014.
Anyway, word is, a few courses after the summer, a few next year and a bunch in 2010.
Anyway, word is, a few courses after the summer, a few next year and a bunch in 2010.
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"Have to"? No. But yes.
There is a § in the OM with a table showing pay scales and bonding times for new-hires without type rating. However - you´ll just end up losing money in the long run, since those starting salaries are rather low. The plans, and the documentation for a TRTO are in place. I do not know whether the training dept. have closed all findings and/or concerns after the first inspection by NCAA in january. These things usually takes quite some time. With the expansion and all, the training dept. have more than enough problems to sink their teeth into, so I suspect arranging type rating courses will not be prioritized...
1) You need to check the box "I will pay for my own t/r" on the app.form.
2) You need to have someone - preferrably several - inside DY recommend you to the Company.
...then maybe you´ll get called in for an interview. On very short notice.
Hope this fogged things up a bit more!
There is a § in the OM with a table showing pay scales and bonding times for new-hires without type rating. However - you´ll just end up losing money in the long run, since those starting salaries are rather low. The plans, and the documentation for a TRTO are in place. I do not know whether the training dept. have closed all findings and/or concerns after the first inspection by NCAA in january. These things usually takes quite some time. With the expansion and all, the training dept. have more than enough problems to sink their teeth into, so I suspect arranging type rating courses will not be prioritized...
1) You need to check the box "I will pay for my own t/r" on the app.form.
2) You need to have someone - preferrably several - inside DY recommend you to the Company.
...then maybe you´ll get called in for an interview. On very short notice.
Hope this fogged things up a bit more!
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Norwegian will go bankrupt at the end of this year.
Read their quarterly report for first quarter 2008.
The negative result is 5 times greater than last year. Norwegian has an accumulated result of minus 350 million nkr since 2004. They are not making money nor is there any reason to believe they ever will. They certainly will not in 2008 - that year is busted already.
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Read their quarterly report for first quarter 2008.
The negative result is 5 times greater than last year. Norwegian has an accumulated result of minus 350 million nkr since 2004. They are not making money nor is there any reason to believe they ever will. They certainly will not in 2008 - that year is busted already.
You read it here first
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If you grab the Kingsnake by the tail, he might not be able to bite.
NORWEGIAN
1. Larger and more costly operation, than before.
2. Restarting flights to LYR! Mistake! Costly!
3. Starting BDU against public interest. Mistake! Costly!
4. SAS starting Leisure in direct competition with NAS. BIG problem for NAS! Costly!
5. Fuel price! NAS paying full price! Very costly for a low cost company.
6. World economy indirectly affecting peoples pockets. People travel less on vacation, while NAS is getting more seats to fill. Costly!
7. The difference in ticket price between the legacy airlines and the low cost airlines smaller. Costly.
8. NAS raising the ticket price, less pax. Costly!
9. Few pilots willing to pay for T/R.
10. SAS might hire next year. Loss of pilots. Costly!
11. Diff. training from classic to NG. Costly!
The list goes on.....
Maybe not bankruptcy, but a changed NAS perhaps!?
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NORWEGIAN
1. Larger and more costly operation, than before.
2. Restarting flights to LYR! Mistake! Costly!
3. Starting BDU against public interest. Mistake! Costly!
4. SAS starting Leisure in direct competition with NAS. BIG problem for NAS! Costly!
5. Fuel price! NAS paying full price! Very costly for a low cost company.
6. World economy indirectly affecting peoples pockets. People travel less on vacation, while NAS is getting more seats to fill. Costly!
7. The difference in ticket price between the legacy airlines and the low cost airlines smaller. Costly.
8. NAS raising the ticket price, less pax. Costly!
9. Few pilots willing to pay for T/R.
10. SAS might hire next year. Loss of pilots. Costly!
11. Diff. training from classic to NG. Costly!
The list goes on.....
Maybe not bankruptcy, but a changed NAS perhaps!?
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Well, the "net loss" so far also includes the purchasing of new aircraft and establishing a new base at Rygge. This net loss was forcast by analysts, more or less on the mark. It´s not exactly as if SAS have made any money either, and 350MNOK in the red (as Kingsnake claims) really isn´t all that much...
SAS have already decided to add a fuel surcharge, and DY is bound to follow. This will offset the increasing fuel costs. IF SAS decides to hire new pilots next year, they will have to take back the x-hundred they fired a while back - very few of which work for DY today. And why the hell would anyone want to leave DY to work for SAS, with the new crap pay scales and all? Also - look at the overhead costs for the two companies. Guess which one is the cheaper?
My guess (because that´s all we can do) is that DY will continue to expand as planned, reach the peak with 40-something new 738s, then cut back some, and eventually stabilise somewhere between today´s operation and planned "peak". There will always be room for the two companies in Norway. SAS will fire even more people now, and if they don´t get swallowed by LH or anither large carrier - they´re also likely to vanish within a couple of years if they don´t start making money.
Bottom line; I agree with empati: A changed NAS, but alive.
SAS have already decided to add a fuel surcharge, and DY is bound to follow. This will offset the increasing fuel costs. IF SAS decides to hire new pilots next year, they will have to take back the x-hundred they fired a while back - very few of which work for DY today. And why the hell would anyone want to leave DY to work for SAS, with the new crap pay scales and all? Also - look at the overhead costs for the two companies. Guess which one is the cheaper?
My guess (because that´s all we can do) is that DY will continue to expand as planned, reach the peak with 40-something new 738s, then cut back some, and eventually stabilise somewhere between today´s operation and planned "peak". There will always be room for the two companies in Norway. SAS will fire even more people now, and if they don´t get swallowed by LH or anither large carrier - they´re also likely to vanish within a couple of years if they don´t start making money.
Bottom line; I agree with empati: A changed NAS, but alive.
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f you grab the Kingsnake by the tail, he might not be able to bite.
NORWEGIAN
1. Larger and more efficient operation, huge increase on numbers of aircrafts over numbers in administration.
2. Restarting flights to LYR! Very good pax numbers on top of good cargo revenue.
3. Starting BDU after winning contract with The Armed Forces.
4. SAS starting Leisure in direct competition with NAS. No problem for NAS, SAS has a cost factor double what NAS has!!
5. Fuel price! NAS paying full price! As Ryanair does.
6. World economy indirectly affecting peoples pockets. Passenger choose NAS when they want cheap flights.
7. The difference in ticket price between the legacy airlines and the low cost airlines smaller. Brings SAS to an end, either by bankruptcy or takeover by large group like Lufthansa.
8. SAS raising the ticket price, less pax. NAS sitting on the fence with same ticket price and welcoming paxnumbers skyrocketing.
9. 1306 pilots willing to pay for T/R. (from the updated application list)
10. SAS laying off pilots as scheduled in their downsizing plan.
11. Diff. training from classic to NG, taking place on sceduled PC/OPC basis at almost no extra cost.
12. Fixed price on new NG's down by NOK 800 mio. due low USD currency.
The list goes on.....
NAS strengthening their position, SAS dramatic weakened.
Empati, (Black Mamba)???????????????
NORWEGIAN
1. Larger and more efficient operation, huge increase on numbers of aircrafts over numbers in administration.
2. Restarting flights to LYR! Very good pax numbers on top of good cargo revenue.
3. Starting BDU after winning contract with The Armed Forces.
4. SAS starting Leisure in direct competition with NAS. No problem for NAS, SAS has a cost factor double what NAS has!!
5. Fuel price! NAS paying full price! As Ryanair does.
6. World economy indirectly affecting peoples pockets. Passenger choose NAS when they want cheap flights.
7. The difference in ticket price between the legacy airlines and the low cost airlines smaller. Brings SAS to an end, either by bankruptcy or takeover by large group like Lufthansa.
8. SAS raising the ticket price, less pax. NAS sitting on the fence with same ticket price and welcoming paxnumbers skyrocketing.
9. 1306 pilots willing to pay for T/R. (from the updated application list)
10. SAS laying off pilots as scheduled in their downsizing plan.
11. Diff. training from classic to NG, taking place on sceduled PC/OPC basis at almost no extra cost.
12. Fixed price on new NG's down by NOK 800 mio. due low USD currency.
The list goes on.....
NAS strengthening their position, SAS dramatic weakened.
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Det eneste som er sikkert, er at det er veldig bra at ingen av dere er økonomer, men kun synsere 
Uten økonomisk dybdekunnskap om noen av selskapene, så blir dette en meningsløs diskusjon. DY kan overleve eller gå konkurs. SAS kan overleve eller gå konkurs. Og mest sannsynlig så ender begge selskapene opp et sted mellom overlevelse og konkurs. 
Uten økonomisk dybdekunnskap om noen av selskapene, så blir dette en meningsløs diskusjon. DY kan overleve eller gå konkurs. SAS kan overleve eller gå konkurs. Og mest sannsynlig så ender begge selskapene opp et sted mellom overlevelse og konkurs.
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Just wondering a bit... There was a press release earlier this winter, from Kjos himself, that there would be a big announcement in April of this year. Anyone heard what it was? That they`re losing a lot of money perhaps? Rumor had it that there were plans for a longhaul expension with 777 or 787 orders... But that`s all trough the grapevine
But sadly, the company doesn`t inform its pax about changes in carry-on allowances, new, higher fees and fees for baggage transfer between flights
. And how are the CCs doing? Still working the BS "training" contracts they were given, or have things worked out and there are no more subsidaries from the county office?
Hope they do well though, since any other competition in Norway would probably wreak havoc on the market. At the same time, I wouldn`t sleep well if I were at the bottom of the seniority list there. Glad I`m not
But sadly, the company doesn`t inform its pax about changes in carry-on allowances, new, higher fees and fees for baggage transfer between flights
. And how are the CCs doing? Still working the BS "training" contracts they were given, or have things worked out and there are no more subsidaries from the county office? Hope they do well though, since any other competition in Norway would probably wreak havoc on the market. At the same time, I wouldn`t sleep well if I were at the bottom of the seniority list there. Glad I`m not
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At the bottom and sleeping like a baby.
If the ship goes down: Emirates, Etihad, Quatar, Jet Airways, Singapore, and the list goes on. As long as it doesn't have Well connected with SAS written on it....
If the ship goes down: Emirates, Etihad, Quatar, Jet Airways, Singapore, and the list goes on. As long as it doesn't have Well connected with SAS written on it....
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Scaryabuse: So you have been accepted by all off them...? Not bad!
Their conditions suck (and unions are illegal, so they wont improve), but good luck in the arabians anyway...!
Their conditions suck (and unions are illegal, so they wont improve), but good luck in the arabians anyway...!
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Crossunder!
I think you would be surprised about how many would leave NAS for SAS!
Even to fly a brand new CRJ 900, on RJ payscale.
SAS provides an excellent package, far better than Norwegian. Most FP at SAS today makes more than most FC at NAS. Better pension, roster, insurance, travel benefits, etc.
Some of the 300, hopefully, will be back! But those will be a drop in the water, compared to the need. Besides, many of them are doing too good were they are! They won't accept starting at the bottom again.
SAS Norge is on the ball! Which airline has the best ontime performance in Europe right now?
Wait and see.. Rome wasn't built in a day! THIS SAS is improving, every day!
Even to fly a brand new CRJ 900, on RJ payscale.
SAS provides an excellent package, far better than Norwegian. Most FP at SAS today makes more than most FC at NAS. Better pension, roster, insurance, travel benefits, etc.
Some of the 300, hopefully, will be back!
But those will be a drop in the water, compared to the need. Besides, many of them are doing too good were they are! They won't accept starting at the bottom again.SAS Norge is on the ball! Which airline has the best ontime performance in Europe right now?
Wait and see.. Rome wasn't built in a day! THIS SAS is improving, every day!
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Empati quote:
"SAS provides an excellent package, far better than Norwegian. Most FP at SAS today makes more than most FC at NAS. Better pension, roster, insurance, travel benefits, etc." unquote.
That is a very unvalid comparison, because how many CMD do SAS have who have been in the company just 2-4 years? Come to think of it, how many CMDs have been in SAS only 5-6 years? None! What do you need for your upgrade in SAS, 15+ years?
So you have to look at pay after 2-5 years not regarding seat but just pay, and those in NAS who upgraded early (lets say 3 years) quite surely make more money than they would have after 3 years in SAS, because they sure wouldn´t have upgraded in SAS. And we can´t compare salaries as well, because there are no pilots in SAS with only 3 years service, they were all laid off.
I´m happy that you enjoy SAS terms, but life over here isn´t that bad. Roster? not better at SAS from what I´ve been told, no fixed roster? Many at NAS joined because of the fixed 5453. Maybe some will leave, but if they do NAS will surely up their terms to keep them.
Happy firm landings, TFM
"SAS provides an excellent package, far better than Norwegian. Most FP at SAS today makes more than most FC at NAS. Better pension, roster, insurance, travel benefits, etc." unquote.
That is a very unvalid comparison, because how many CMD do SAS have who have been in the company just 2-4 years? Come to think of it, how many CMDs have been in SAS only 5-6 years? None! What do you need for your upgrade in SAS, 15+ years?
So you have to look at pay after 2-5 years not regarding seat but just pay, and those in NAS who upgraded early (lets say 3 years) quite surely make more money than they would have after 3 years in SAS, because they sure wouldn´t have upgraded in SAS. And we can´t compare salaries as well, because there are no pilots in SAS with only 3 years service, they were all laid off.
I´m happy that you enjoy SAS terms, but life over here isn´t that bad. Roster? not better at SAS from what I´ve been told, no fixed roster? Many at NAS joined because of the fixed 5453. Maybe some will leave, but if they do NAS will surely up their terms to keep them.
Happy firm landings, TFM
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Easy mathematics: Compare T/C's on entire career and you will find NAS on the top of SAS. And why is that? Because your starting salary is far better in NAS of course.
And when it comes to ex. SAS pilots leaving NAS for SAS, don't think so. Who will leave a Commander job in NAS for a FO job i SAS with the perspective of several years in the R/H seat again.
And when it comes to ex. SAS pilots leaving NAS for SAS, don't think so. Who will leave a Commander job in NAS for a FO job i SAS with the perspective of several years in the R/H seat again.
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And when it comes to hiring: No courses planned for the fall whatsoever. Large overcapacity on FO's. Shortage on captains, some contract captains hired for the summer. Shortage of experienced FO's for possible upgrade.