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Originally Posted by chinook240
(Post 11910081)
https://www.platinumfighters.com/inv...ighter-n104rb/ https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3a41e54962.jpg Other A/C are available... |
At least it will be through an open competition, hopefully with no political meddling. some interesting comments from MDP.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...rocurementSmes https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...3BDD/RedArrows |
Aeralis
As I have said many times, I will be delighted to be proven wrong but I still don’t see Aeralis being the logical choice.
Their USP is the common wing concept. I am struggling to see any customer, the RAF included, who needs that right now. In the RAF’s case they are solely after a straight Hawk T2 replacement. That means that the Aeralis comes across as a ‘Jack of all trades, Master of none’. There are much better options for a pure Phase IV trainer already on the market. I really don’t want to see the RAF lumbered with a poor aircraft just to satisfy British industry. I mean, when has that ever happened?! BV |
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 11914617)
As I have said many times, I will be delighted to be proven wrong but I still don’t see Aeralis being the logical choice.
Their USP is the common wing concept. I am struggling to see any customer, the RAF included, who needs that right now. In the RAF’s case they are solely after a straight Hawk T2 replacement. That means that the Aeralis comes across as a ‘Jack of all trades, Master of none’. There are much better options for a pure Phase IV trainer already on the market. I really don’t want to see the RAF lumbered with a poor aircraft just to satisfy British industry. I mean, when has that ever happened?! BV There are more COIs here than you can imagine. That’s before diving down the rabbit hole of Mr China being on their Advisory Board and the very non-British nature of the supply chain especially when looked at via ownership. Rumour has it there’s a capability investigation underway into their maturity……. https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/1984-10-17/debates/8682880b-879e-46a2-925a-91b914046600/RafNewBasicTrainerEvaluationOfTenders |
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 11914617)
I really don’t want to see the RAF lumbered with a poor aircraft just to satisfy British industry.
Its far too late in the day now to be even thinking that Aeralis is even an option for Hawk T.2 replacement....maybe if the timeline was 2050, but not 2030. But, I'm sure wallets and ego's in the corridors of power can be suitably massaged to give the RAF another donkey. |
At least it will be through an open competition, hopefully with no political meddling. |
As I have said many times, I will be delighted to be proven wrong but I still don’t see Aeralis being the logical choice. Their USP is the common wing concept. I am struggling to see any customer, the RAF included, who needs that right now. In the RAF’s case they are solely after a straight Hawk T2 replacement. That means that the Aeralis comes across as a ‘Jack of all trades, Master of none’. There are much better options for a pure Phase IV trainer already on the market. |
Skua
Originally Posted by skua
(Post 11914831)
Aeralis' concept is common fuselage (core), not common wing.
BV |
Originally Posted by DuckDodgers
(Post 11914612)
At least it will be through an open competition, hopefully with no political meddling. some interesting comments from MDP.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...rocurementSmes https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...3BDD/RedArrows And someone needs to brief John Cooper on the facts relating to TSR2. |
Sorry about this, but I couldn't resist it!!!
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
(Post 11914642)
What British Industry though, they don't even have a UK production facility to build any yet......(ignoring the fact that they haven't even built a flyable and testable prototype yet)
Its far too late in the day now to be even thinking that Aeralis is even an option for Hawk T.2 replacement....maybe if the timeline was 2050, but not 2030. But, I'm sure wallets and ego's in the corridors of power can be suitably massaged to give the RAF another donkey. Jack |
Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 11881918)
The financial gain to the UK from the last RAFAT tour to North America more than covered both the tour cost and the annual cost of the whole team!
Those claiming that the cost of continuing the team is disproportionate are simply wrong. |
Originally Posted by Union Jack
(Post 11916139)
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Originally Posted by skua
(Post 11914831)
Aeralis' concept is common fuselage (core), not common wing.
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According to The Times today. From the article:-
The next generation of Red Arrows will be “Scottish as well as British” after it emerged they will be assembled at an SNP government-owned airport.The defence aviation firm Aeralis said that it had agreed a deal with Prestwick airport to build a facility for the final assembly of its UK aircraft. The company is developing a modular light jet aircraft which will replace the Hawk T1, currently used by the Red Arrows, which are due to be retired by the end of the decade. The site will also be used to assemble training aircraft and fighter jets for the RAF and Nato. The facility in Ayrshire is to go ahead despite an SNP ban on using taxpayer support for “munitions” projects. The airport was nationalised by the Scottish government in 2013 to save it from closure. It has since returned to profitability and the airport said the deal would create jobs, apprenticeships and investment. |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11916439)
They also need a factory to build it in. Apart from Warton, all the factories have been shut down and disposed of.
CG |
Originally Posted by charliegolf
(Post 11916501)
Is Hawarden gone too?
CG |
Glasgow Prestwick Airport has been selected by leading British aircraft manufacturer AERALIS as the final assembly site for its revolutionary new aircraft programme – successfully beating off competition from 67 other UK locations. https://www.glasgowprestwick.com/new...ew-red-arrows/ |
Aeralis must have paid for some nice lunches to these press people, which just goes to prove how clueless the press are.
Leading British aircraft manufacturer..... :confused::ugh: |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11916439)
They also need a factory to build it in. Apart from Warton, all the factories have been shut down and disposed of.
Samlesbury is huge and all of the Airbus UK plants are pretty large and impressive too. There are numerous component and sub assembly manufacturers who could also get involved. The plan to manufacture the Aeralis includes airframe manufacture at Hamble and an assembly line at Prestwick. You do seem to be really ill informed. |
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