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Originally Posted by Expatrick
(Post 11873014)
Surely, in terms of inspiring young people to join the RAF, even just one, doing spectacular things, regularly, across the Country would be enough to generate a "I want to do that"?
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Of course what is needed are some REAL machines that Cadets can actually get to fly and go solo in.
Oh I forgot we used to do that not so long ago before the 'hands on experience' was replaced by sitting in a plastic bath tub looking at a screen. Nothing to stop us going back to something that worked assuming those in charge actually knew what they were doing. (may be a problem there) We need the AIR back into Cadets, and a new fleet of MK3's with the 60 mins to solo provision. I would accept changing the 'wellies' for a more suitable footwear, and we could up grade the NAAFI pies to make then into a combi adaptation of a Cornish Pasty with meat and potato at one end and jam at the other. There we are all sorted, and could be another World first for the Cadets. An upgrade to winching could be reusable Jetex packs to bring us up to date. What a combination basic training to spaceflight in one economic system. |
……and the MACAWs at Manby, 4 JP 4s
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Originally Posted by POBJOY
(Post 11873516)
Of course what is needed are some REAL machines that Cadets can actually get to fly and go solo in.
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Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11875635)
Just saw a programme on Ch 5 about Longleat; it showed a display by a pair of Grob 109b's previously known as 'Vigilants' in the Air Cadets but literally 'given away' or destroyed.
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Originally Posted by ninja-lewis
(Post 11875711)
The display pair featured on the show weren't ex-Vigilants. They were imported from the French and Swiss registers.
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While the skill and training factors can be replicated in grobs and the like the general public want noise and speed , and that the peoblem with replacing the ageing hawks although the French team must be pretty ancient too.
I also wonder how welcome the USAF/USN teams might be in Europe , hopefully the rudeness and disparaging remarks about fellow NATO allies wont impact them displaying over hear. Can Uk afford the Reds is a reallytricky question, I for one would be very sad if they were closed down but perhaps Government might be swayed by their advertising appeal to youngsters |
Originally Posted by POBJOY
(Post 11873516)
Of course what is needed are some REAL machines that Cadets can actually get to fly and go solo in.
Oh I forgot we used to do that not so long ago before the 'hands on experience' was replaced by sitting in a plastic bath tub looking at a screen. Nothing to stop us going back to something that worked assuming those in charge actually knew what they were doing. (may be a problem there) We need the AIR back into Cadets, and a new fleet of MK3's with the 60 mins to solo provision. I would accept changing the 'wellies' for a more suitable footwear, and we could up grade the NAAFI pies to make then into a combi adaptation of a Cornish Pasty with meat and potato at one end and jam at the other. There we are all sorted, and could be another World first for the Cadets. An upgrade to winching could be reusable Jetex packs to bring us up to date. What a combination basic training to spaceflight in one economic system. |
Hawk planned out of service dates.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/raf-...ates-revealed/ |
Putting the BASIC back into basic training
Originally Posted by flyingorthopod
(Post 11875921)
Bring back the Grasshopper
Grasshopper may need a windscreen, but what a ride, and affordable to boot. |
Originally Posted by POBJOY
(Post 11876153)
Grasshopper (Primary trainer) plus a jet pack, the ultimate (one stop shop) for ist solo to spaceman,
Grasshopper may need a windscreen, but what a ride, and affordable to boot. Wooden frame with doped fabric lifting surfaces. Might there not be a risk of it catching fire? Needs to be constructed with a different type of material and unlikely to pass MAA requirements. |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11876441)
Hm Grasshopper.+ jet pack.
Wooden frame with doped fabric lifting surfaces. Might there not be a risk of it catching fire? Needs to be constructed with a different type of material and unlikely to pass MAA requirements. What could possibly go wrong? |
modern materials
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11876441)
Hm Grasshopper.+ jet pack.
Wooden frame with doped fabric lifting surfaces. Might there not be a risk of it catching fire? Needs to be constructed with a different type of material and unlikely to pass MAA requirements. |
In a completely unsurprising change of narrative the latest from Aeralis at their industrialisation event demonstrates the desperation:
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" the terrorist sponsoring Qataris "
Shirley you mean "Britain's long standing ally"? (and major investor) |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11876991)
" the terrorist sponsoring Qataris "
Shirley you mean "Britain's long standing ally"? (and major investor) |
Why jets at all ?
Why not purchase 15 x Pilatus PC21's ? (some for use and some for storage/replacements) and a proper support contract including spare parts.................. Arc |
Originally Posted by Arclite01
(Post 11877174)
Why jets at all ?
Why not purchase 15 x Pilatus PC21's ? (some for use and some for storage/replacements) and a proper support contract including spare parts.................. Arc sure the Patrulla Aguila PC-21 display will be just the same. I’m all for binning them…… |
Originally Posted by DuckDodgers
(Post 11877088)
I refer the honourable gentleman to my earlier post. Nasty little former protectorate…….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar%...gdom_relations But beloved by politicians of all parties, the military establishment & UK business it seems................. In March 2013, Prince Charles and his wife the Duchess of Cornwall, arrived in Qatar for a state visit. On 20 September 2019, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson hosted Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani at the Downing Street. Johnson pressed over the fact that the UK’s relation with Qatar is going from “strength to strength”. On 24 May 2022, Sheikh Tamim met with Prime Minister Boris Johnson to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the UK-Qatar bilateral relations in London. During the state visit of the Amir of Qatar to the United Kingdom in December 2024, the UK and Qatar signed agreements to enhance their defence cooperation. The agreements included expanding collaboration within the joint UK-Qatar Typhoon and Hawk squadrons and knowledge-sharing between the UK Royal Military Police and Qatar’s Amiri Guard Close Protection UnitOn 20 February 2023, the Qatari Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Affairs Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani and the British Foreign Secretary James Cleverly held the first annual Strategic Dialogue in London. On 4 December 2024, the two countries announced a new Climate Technology Partnership during Amir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, State Visit to the UK where he met King Charles III and Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Qatar confirmed an initial investment of £1 billion. |
Originally Posted by DuckDodgers
(Post 11876969)
In a completely unsurprising change of narrative the latest from Aeralis at their industrialisation event demonstrates the desperation:
Why do you hate Aeralis so much...? |
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