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LateArmLive 16th September 2025 06:58


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11954193)
Why would the RAF buy the T-50?

Because it works, it's available, and it's probably the best of the 3 realistic options available.

typerated 16th September 2025 07:18


Originally Posted by LateArmLive (Post 11954430)
Because it works, it's available, and it's probably the best of the 3 realistic options available.

Id have thought T-50 was a lot of overkill in performance.
Would not the M-346 be more realistic?

Davef68 16th September 2025 08:53


Originally Posted by typerated (Post 11954438)
Id have thought T-50 was a lot of overkill in performance.
Would not the M-346 be more realistic?

Knowing the UK, we'll probably end up with the M345!

LateArmLive 16th September 2025 09:13


Originally Posted by typerated (Post 11954438)
Id have thought T-50 was a lot of overkill in performance.
Would not the M-346 be more realistic?

Not sure I'd call it overkill. An actual radar and datalink are ideal in a tactical trainer, but even more so if you were to use the same fleet of aircraft for your frontline support (red air, DACT, ADEX etc). Operating something like the TA-50 would not only provide the UK with a great trainer that has performance to read across to frontline platforms, it would also be capable of providing the UK with credible red air.

Of course, capability costs money...

Martin the Martian 16th September 2025 22:08

It should also be capable of being used in an operational front line capability. Although that would probably cost more, so it won't happen.

typerated 17th September 2025 02:46


Originally Posted by Martin the Martian (Post 11954946)
It should also be capable of being used in an operational front line capability. Although that would probably cost more, so it won't happen.

No it shouldn't . They need an advanced trainer.

DuckDodgers 17th September 2025 05:50


Originally Posted by typerated (Post 11955001)
No it shouldn't . They need an advanced trainer.

I’ll maintain my position that if they want an advanced trainer with representative handling and kinematics then it’s a simple field to choose from. If not it widens a little more perhaps into the ethereal space if time doesn’t matter.


The question should be that of how do they wish to offer something different, what would the unique selling point be that’s the differentiator? The answer by the way isn’t that you get the CFS tick 🙄🙄🙄🙄

KAI appear to have gotten off the perch, it will be interesting to see who gets their elbow right in terms of messaging and narrative.

GeeRam 18th November 2025 20:35

So, BAe's bid to MOD for Hawk T.2 replacement would be a UK built T-7...?

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/b...t7-trainer-raf

NutLoose 19th November 2025 01:48

I thought Ukraine had taught us the folly of buying anything US any more?

BBadanov 19th November 2025 04:08


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11991664)
I thought Ukraine had taught us the folly of buying anything US any more?

So what "folly" would that be?

The Yanks make the best and most prolific kit there is.

chevvron 19th November 2025 07:30


Originally Posted by BBadanov (Post 11991680)
So what "folly" would that be?

The Yanks make the best and most prolific kit there is.

Does that include Boeing?

DogTailRed2 19th November 2025 07:38

With the advent of AI I wonder who will be the first to have a fully autonomous display team?

GeeRam 19th November 2025 07:53


Originally Posted by DogTailRed2 (Post 11991764)
With the advent of AI I wonder who will be the first to have a fully autonomous display team?

Already exists, this company have done it with their 'Red Arrows' drone light show.
https://www.droneswarm.co.uk/

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c94699e663.jpg

artee 19th November 2025 08:49


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11991774)
Already exists, this company have done it with their 'Red Arrows' drone light show.
https://www.droneswarm.co.uk/

Can't they put the wings on straight?

Stitchbitch 19th November 2025 09:05


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11991552)
So, BAe's bid to MOD for Hawk T.2 replacement would be a UK built T-7...?

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/b...t7-trainer-raf

Lets hope the put a UK seat in it, the US option seems to have had suffered from some qualification ‘issues’.

OvertHawk 19th November 2025 10:29


Originally Posted by artee (Post 11991814)
Can't they put the wings on straight?

That's simply an homage to BAe build standards! ;)

Davef68 19th November 2025 11:30

BAE to get the trainer contract, Leonardo to get the medium helicopter one and everyone is happy?

chevvron 19th November 2025 12:02

Pity the government has declared that we can't defend ourselves due to successive defence cuts.

ORAC 20th November 2025 08:47

And Aeralis volley back…….

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/aera...shire-jet-hub/

Aeralis, GMB pact aims to build Ayrshire jet hub

GeeRam 20th November 2025 10:14


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11992529)
And Aeralis volley back…….

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/aera...shire-jet-hub/

Aeralis, GMB pact aims to build Ayrshire jet hub

Cracks me up that they can con these journalists with the start of the first sentence in that article.......

"British aircraft manufacturer Aeralis has signed a cooperation agreement with........"

How can you be referred to as a manufacturer, when you have never manufactured anything yet..... :ugh:






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