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SASless 12th August 2019 13:48

Race,

Essentially you are right in your comment about cheap assets taking out expensive assets.

The Lesson Learned from that incident has evoked some interesting results.

At my local shipping port where US Military vessels sometimes arrive to drop military cargo and take on similar cargo.....in a US Port known for its sport fishing.....we get to see Armed vigilant gunners manning .50 Cal Machine Guns watching us pass by as USCG Patrol Vessels standby.....24 Hours a day.

If you happen to violate the Buffer Zone....you get to have a friendly chat with the Coasties who remind you to shove off smartish and not to come back again or they will ruin your fishing trip.

You can imagine the measures taken in a hostile location when such vessels pull into Port.

racedo 12th August 2019 14:48


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10543205)
You can imagine the measures taken in a hostile location when such vessels pull into Port.

As you say in a US port you would assume (not always correct), that everyone is working with the same goals and intent.

In a hostile environment that will not be the case, yup, you may be paying Jonny $100 a week to man guns (when local wage is $5 a week) to prevent anybody transgressing an area but local baddies have Jonny's son as a member / hostage. Jonny just ends up being too slow to react or the gun "jammed" when needed or he fired and missed.

2 or 3 $50 inflatables with paddles, 2-3 RPGs per inflatable and guys knowing whatever happens to them, family will be provided for everymore, are what keeps Navy security drinking Maalox by the bottle.

AnglianAV8R 13th August 2019 21:29

UK To Release Hijacked Tanker Back To Iran – Iranian Media

https://en.muraselon.com/2019/08/uk-...iranian-media/

ORAC 21st August 2019 07:19


ericsson16 21st August 2019 15:21

https://news.sky.com/story/us-offici...yemen-11790577

ORAC 22nd August 2019 09:40

Salami Tactics | Comment Central

Salami Tactics

racedo 22nd August 2019 10:19


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10551492)

So is this another one of those dodgy think tanks funded by dodgy back door funds. I have seen the contributors and a lot on the right of Attila the Hun.

Bit like Integrity Iniatitive.

ORAC 22nd August 2019 10:46

The CEJISS?

https://www.mup.cz/en/mup-press/acad...urnals/cejiss/

http://www.cejiss.org/editors/desk

“Mitchell Belfer is Senior Lecturer at the Department of International Relations and European Studies and Editor in Chief of the Central European Journal of International and Security Studies (CEJISS). He holds a Ph.D. and an MPA in International Relations Theory and his academic interests gravitate around: alliance theory, small states, dangerous regions, the international relations of the Arabian Gulf and Middle East, asymmetrical violence and general security-related issues.

What began as a strictly alliance-centric focus has morphed into a multi-layered understanding of alliances that investigates the manner in which an alliance’s major to minor and its minor to minor dyads within the alliance behave to one another.”.

Asturias56 22nd August 2019 12:39

Let a hundred flowers bloom and a hundred schools of thought contend..........................

racedo 22nd August 2019 13:49


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10551558)
The CEJISS?

https://www.mup.cz/en/mup-press/acad...urnals/cejiss/

Editors desk

“Mitchell Belfer is Senior Lecturer at the Department of International Relations and European Studies and Editor in Chief of the Central European Journal of International and Security Studies (CEJISS). He holds a Ph.D. and an MPA in International Relations Theory and his academic interests gravitate around: alliance theory, small states, dangerous regions, the international relations of the Arabian Gulf and Middle East, asymmetrical violence and general security-related issues.

What began as a strictly alliance-centric focus has morphed into a multi-layered understanding of alliances that investigates the manner in which an alliance’s major to minor and its minor to minor dyads within the alliance behave to one another.”.

Doesn't answer the question though.

Where is the money coming from to fund it ?

Atlantic council ? Soros ? or some other mysterious benefactor.

ORAC 23rd August 2019 07:08

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...fuel-8m3n3f5x7

Iran tanker crisis: Greece refuses to let Adrian Darya 1 refuel

An Iranian tanker suspected of transporting oil to Syria has been blocked from refuelling in Greece, prompting fears that its crew may attempt a dangerous sea-to-sea cargo transfer if they cannot dock in north Africa.

The Adrian Darya 1 was in the middle of the Mediterranean yesterday, 100 nautical miles south of Sardinia and 60 nautical miles north of Algeria, sailing east at around eight knots towards Greece. However, the country has refused sanctuary to the ship, which the United States claims is transporting around £130 million worth in light crude to Syria, in breach of international sanctions. The vessel was previously known as Grace 1 and was detained by the authorities in Gibraltar last month, prompting a diplomatic crisis. Its detention order was lifted last week.

Carrying 2.1 million barrels of crude, enough to supply both Britain and France for a day, the ship was expected to arrive in the southern Greek port of Kalamata on Sunday, according to maritime tracking systems. However, local media said that the tanker’s crew had contacted a Greek shipping company for assistance to dock and the request was turned down. Miltiadis Varvitsiotis, Greece’s deputy foreign minister, told the broadcaster ANT1 that his country was “not willing to facilitate the course of this ship to Syria”.

Experts have said that if the tanker cannot dock in Greece, it can either go someplace else, most likely north Africa, or the crew could attempt to transfer the oil to another ship. “That leaves the tanker with limited options,” one shipping expert told The Times, requesting anonymity because of his knowledge of details of the case.

“It will either have to find a friendly port to dock or bunker offshore. It will have to find a vessel to transfer its cargo, vessel to vessel, in high seas — something which is extremely difficult at present because of bad weather conditions. If all fails, and it runs out of fuel and is left sailing adrift, then it becomes a major safety hazard. It would require immediate international assistance to be towed to the nearest shore. At this point, no one knows what the endgame is for either side.”

Greece controls about a quarter of the global tanker fleet. Its shipping operations used to ferry 37 per cent of Iranian crude worldwide before the US tightened sanctions on Tehran’s exports in April.

Government officials contacted by The Times said that the tanker had been switching its tracking system “on and off, travelling at a very slow speed”. It has a crew of 29, from India, Russia, Latvia and the Philippines......


Lonewolf_50 23rd August 2019 19:49

Darn, I need to refresh my current events. Is Syria under UN sanctions for oil imports due to ... something Assad did or didn't do? As I look under the UNSCR documents on Syria, I didn't find any at first blush.

SASless 23rd August 2019 20:54

Since 2011.....if still in effect for Aviation fuel.

One would have to assume the Brits knew what they were doing when they seized the Tanker and Crew....surely.

ORAC 23rd August 2019 21:58

L-50,

No UN Sanctions on Syria - all vetoed. Y Russia and China, but there are by other international blocs. The UK was applying EU sanctions, which is why Greece will also be complying.

https://complyadvantage.com/knowledg...untries/syria/

racedo 23rd August 2019 23:02


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10552766)
Since 2011.....if still in effect for Aviation fuel.

One would have to assume the Brits knew what they were doing when they seized the Tanker and Crew....surely.

:ugh: Good luck with that idea.

Lonewolf_50 23rd August 2019 23:37

OK, ORAC, thanks, this was an interesting stroll down memory lane back to W and the Arab spring based actions of Obama.
Refresh of memory, and the links to other interested parties taken note of.
As Dick Deadeye once remarked: "Ah, it's a queer world."

Lordflasheart 3rd September 2019 07:22

Where is the Grace 1 ?
 
...
... and all the others ... ?

https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...dark-off-syria

....



racedo 6th September 2019 21:23

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49589075

This shows a rather scary viewpoint that US State Dept openly seeking to engage in piracy.

Asturias56 7th September 2019 07:26

Actually it's not Piracy it's incitement to Barratry - "the Capt & Crew conspiring together to defraud the owners and shippers" - used to be common and can still be seen as a legal term in some shipping contracts

Yes - I shall look for a job as a Tanker Captain and send my bank details to the USA so they can pay me in advance..................

still it's better than killing people I suppose - and cheaper than deploying serious assets to intercept.....

ORAC 7th September 2019 12:10

Looks like the Iranians lied when they promised it wasn’t going to Syria to get Gibraltar to release it.....

https://news.sky.com/story/satellite...-port-11804153

etudiant 7th September 2019 16:12


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10564121)
Looks like the Iranians lied when they promised it wasn’t going to Syria to get Gibraltar to release it.....

https://news.sky.com/story/satellite...-port-11804153

I'm shocked, shocked, that you could say the Iranians lied.
The ship was sold in transit and renamed, so with new owners the cargo could again be sold anywhere, including Syria. ;)

Obviously this is one of these devious 'intelligence' operations, mostly distinguished by the absence thereof.

racedo 7th September 2019 18:20


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 10564263)
I'm shocked, shocked, that you could say the Iranians lied.
The ship was sold in transit and renamed, so with new owners the cargo could again be sold anywhere, including Syria. ;)

Obviously this is one of these devious 'intelligence' operations, mostly distinguished by the absence thereof.

As they were not doing anything illegal in the first place the siezure and then attempt to incite to barratary is the issue.

There is no UN sanctions on Iran to prevent Oil sales.

Asturias56 7th September 2019 19:43

" incite to barratary" - now there's a case for our Legal Friends - I have a terrible suspicion the last time anyone was sued for it was int the W Highlands of Scotland about 1895...............

ORAC 10th September 2019 05:23

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...iran-xpbdp9fcl

Freed tanker Adrian Darya 1 has sold its oil to Syria, says Iran

Iran claims that a tanker impounded in Gibraltar for six weeks has offloaded its oil in Syria, despite Britain saying it had secured written guarantees that the cargo would not be sold to the Assad regime.

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office has not commented on the apparent breach of the agreement under which the Iranian tanker Adrian Darya 1, which was called Grace 1 when it was seized by Royal Marines in July, was freed last month. British officials may be awaiting further confirmation. Although an Iranian government spokesman confirmed claims by state media that the vessel had sold and transferred its 2.1 million barrels of crude oil......

There were also signs that Iran was keeping the other half of its agreement. The spokesman said paperwork was being completed for the release of the Stena Impero, a Swedish-owned, British-flagged tanker seized in the Gulf in what was taken to be a tit-for-tat move later in July......



dead_pan 10th September 2019 08:51

But they promised!!...

Not surprised they tried it on given our current political travails.

racedo 10th September 2019 17:08

Mad Hatter John Bolton gets fired. :D

Blossy 10th September 2019 21:11

You have this compulsion to sneer at most things American and free world. What ails you?

Asturias56 11th September 2019 14:07

You don't have to be anti American to think that Bolton is very bad news....................

racedo 11th September 2019 17:00


Originally Posted by Blossy (Post 10566841)
You have this compulsion to sneer at most things American and free world. What ails you?

Define "Free world". Is this the one where John Bolton decides he wants regime change and many people die ?

Mil-26Man 11th September 2019 17:13


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10567566)
Define "Free world". Is this the one where John Bolton decides he wants regime change and many people die ?

No, it's the one where you get to spout nonsense on the internet

Mil-26Man 11th September 2019 17:46

...you're right about Bolton though.

ORAC 15th September 2019 03:26

Linked to the Yemen thread....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-yemen-houthi

Pompeo: Iran behind attack on Saudi oil facilities that will reduce kingdom's output

The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, has accused Iran of being responsible for attacks on Saudi oil plants that could lead to the temporary loss of more than 5% of global oil supply.

Iran-aligned Houthi rebels in Yemen claimed responsibility for Saturday’s drone attack. But Pompeo, Donald Trump’s top diplomat, blamed the attacks squarely on Iran writing on Twitter that there was “no evidence the attacks came from Yemen”.

“Amid all the calls for de-escalation, Iran has now launched an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply,” Pompeo said. “Tehran is behind nearly 100 attacks on Saudi Arabia while [President Hassan] Rouhani and [foreign minister Javad] Zarif pretend to engage in diplomacy,” he said.

According to a statement from the state-run oil producer Saudi Aramco, the attacks on the Abqaiq facility will cut the kingdom’s production by about 5.7m barrels per day, more than half of Saudi Arabia’s output. Saudi is the world’s largest exporter of crude oil.

The US Energy Department said on Saturday it was ready to release oil from its strategic petroleum reserve (SPR) if needed. “Oil prices will jump on this attack, and if the disruption to Saudi production is prolonged, an SPR release ... seems likely and sensible,” said Jason Bordoff, founding director of the Centre on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University in New York.......

Responding to Pompeo’s tweet on Saturday, the Democratic senator Chris Murphy, a member of the foreign relations committee, wrote: “This is such irresponsible simplification and it’s how we get into dumb wars of choice. “The Saudis and Houthis are at war. The Saudis attack the Houthis and the Houthis attack back. Iran is backing the Houthis and has been a bad actor, but it’s just not as simple as Houthis = Iran.”

he Republican senator Lindsey Graham, a leading Trump ally, disagreed. “It is now time for the US to put on the table an attack on Iranian oil refineries if they continue their provocations or increase nuclear enrichment,” the South Carolina senator said on Twitter........









racedo 15th September 2019 14:00


Originally Posted by Mil-26Man (Post 10567581)
No, it's the one where you get to spout nonsense on the internet

So Russia is Free World as poster on here from Russia.

Asturias56 15th September 2019 14:55

Not many Russians other than Van - who seems to have come back from his/her summer holidays.....................

A_Van 15th September 2019 16:24


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10570549)
Not many Russians other than Van - who seems to have come back from his/her summer holidays.....................

No summer holidays - no rest for the wary :-) Too much brain work on a couple of projects until the father Frost's arrival.

Recall an old military joke:
A base commander is working on the leave schedule for the next year and asks a young lieutenant who had just arrived under his command: "Hey, Petrov, do you like warm vodka and sweaty women?"
"No, Sir, not at all", was an obvious reply.
"Great, got it! Your leave is now scheduled for December".

ORAC 15th September 2019 20:16

The brink of war?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...ikes-jnm9cz9kb

Iran and US on brink over attack on oil sites

Iran and the US have threatened each other with military action following a huge attack on Saudi oil facilities, bringing tensions in the Gulf region to boiling point.

Mike Pompeo, the US secretary of state, blamed Tehran for the drone attacks on two facilities, even though they have been claimed by Yemen’s Houthi rebels, and warned that Iran would be “held accountable for its aggression”. Soon after, Amirali Hajizadeh, head of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps Aerospace Force, said that any US bases or aircraft carriers within a 2,000-mile radius of Iran could be targeted by its missiles and that Tehran has prepared itself for “fully-fledged war”.

The attacks on the Abqaiq and Khurais installations, 118 miles apart in eastern Saudi Arabia, early yesterday sparked raging fires and have halved Saudi Arabia’s oil output — which totals 5 per cent of the world’s supply — to 5.7 million barrels daily. The blazes broke out at around 4am local time and have since been brought under control, but satellite images show acrid black clouds covering a huge area around the facilities in the hours after the attacks.......

Saudi Arabia has not commented on who it believes to be behind the strikes, although Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman, the Saudi energy minister who was newly appointed to the role last week, described it as a “terrorist attack” which “threatens the world economy”. But Mr Pompeo said there is “no evidence” that the attacks were orchestrated by the Houthi rebels, who are backed by Iran in their fight against the government of Yemeni president Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi, and had in fact been arranged directly from Tehran. His comments have quashed hopes of the thaw in US-Iran relations which had been anticipated following the resignation of John Bolton as national security adviser last week.

Iran has hit back against Mr Pompeo’s claim that it was behind the attacks, with Abbas Mousavi, the foreign ministry spokesman, claiming the accusation was part of Washington’s policy of “maximum falsification”. Mr Mousavi also described Mr Pompeo’s tweets as “blind and abortive comments that are obscure and meaningless within a diplomatic framework” and accused Saudi-led coalition in Yemen, which is supporting the internationally-recognised government, of “fuelling the flames of war”.

Lindsey Graham, a hawkish Republican, raised the temperature further, tweeting: “Iran will not stop their misbehaviour until the consequences become more real, like attacking their refineries, which will break the regime’s back.” “It is now time for the US to put on the table an attack on Iranian oil refineries if they continue their provocations or increase nuclear enrichment,” he added........

President Trump spoke to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia by telephone last night and confirmed the US’s readiness to “cooperate with the Kingdom, by all means conducive to maintain its security and stability”, according to a report in the official Saudi Press Agency. The UK’s foreign office condemned the strikes as “dangerous, provocative and completely unacceptable”. There have so far been no reported casualties or injuries.........

Riyadh is now scrambling to restore its output and stem the damage to its economy.........




The Sultan 15th September 2019 22:32

None of this would be happening if Trump/Pompeo had not violated the 2015 nuc agreement. Pompeo said there is no evidence the Houthis did the attack, that also means no evidence Iran did it either. If it was the Houthis they do have the right to fight back against the US aided war the Saudis are waging against them.

obgraham 15th September 2019 23:25

Please explain, Sultan, how the US "violated" the agreement. It was just that: an agreement, not a treaty. We decided to withdraw from it.

etudiant 16th September 2019 01:36


Originally Posted by obgraham (Post 10570909)
Please explain, Sultan, how the US "violated" the agreement. It was just that: an agreement, not a treaty. We decided to withdraw from it.

But when you withdraw from an agreement, you should not expect the other party to abide by it either.

tartare 16th September 2019 02:36

Locked and loaded eh?
Yeah, right...


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