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Strange how all this air defence by the West is exactly what Ukraine has been pleading for the last 3 years, with no effect.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11635678)
Strange how all this air defence by the West is exactly what Ukraine has been pleading for the last 3 years, with no effect.
Ukraine or importantly its mouth pieces need to start being careful about what they say. You cant insult people who charity you are relying on |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11635709)
strange how everything doesn't have to be about ukraine. Also note israel is an Ally, Ukraine isn't, ukraine never bothered about its defence prior to russian invasion. Ukraine hasn't even bothered with a mobilsation or at the very leased some type of compulsory military training for its citizens.
Ukraine or importantly its mouth pieces need to start being careful about what they say. You cant insult people who charity you are relying on |
Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
(Post 11635716)
Silly take and not sure what your agenda is, but Ukraine is very much is an ally. Aside from being a Westward leaning democracy that aspires to EU and NATO membership and which is now fighting the very enemy that NATO was conceived to defend against, Ukraine has contributed troops to ISAF and held bilateral exercises with the US and other NATO nations. Also, not charity.
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I believe De Gaulle said "France doesn't have allies; only interests". Perhaps not such a bad stance.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11635627)
Jordanian Report picked up in Israel — King Abdullah’s daughter Salma involved in downing five Iranian UAVs.
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
(Post 11635716)
Silly take and not sure what your agenda is, but Ukraine is very much is an ally.
Israel has been a military ally to the West for decades (and this while I strongly dislike Netanjahu and their stupid settlement policy). They are investing massively in being able to defend themselves. They are the only (even if not perfect) democracy in the whole region. They and their religion are not trying to eliminate all others from this planet. Compared to the standards of most of their neighbours they are a welcome deviation. And I repeat myself: Do I think they are doing everything right? No. In Gaza they are massively overshooting. The settlement policy needs to stop for good. And there needs to be a perspective for the Palestinians. Yet I celebrate when missiles launched at Israel are intercepted. And I support and am grateful for the US, UK, Jordan or whomever helps in this. And from a purely Military perspective: Is there a better test and training of intercepting extra- atmospheric Ballistic Missiles as well as low flying ballistic missiles and long range drones? Those will be extremely usefull skills in the foreseeable future. |
When you are doing it for real Henra, the time of testing and training has passed.
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Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11635709)
strange how everything doesn't have to be about ukraine. Also note israel is an Ally, Ukraine isn't, ukraine never bothered about its defence prior to russian invasion. Ukraine hasn't even bothered with a mobilsation or at the very leased some type of compulsory military training for its citizens.
Ukraine or importantly its mouth pieces need to start being careful about what they say. You cant insult people who charity you are relying on …. and judging by their incredible fighting competence and spirit agains a numerically superior enemy, I believe they would be a great asset to NATO. |
The Wall Street Journal reports US officials saying 'roughly 50% of the ballistic missiles fired by Iran failed to launch or crashed before reaching their target'.
Iranian drone stuck in power lines in Kurdish Iraq…. |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11635709)
strange how everything doesn't have to be about ukraine. Also note israel is an Ally, Ukraine isn't, ukraine never bothered about its defence prior to russian invasion. Ukraine hasn't even bothered with a mobilsation or at the very leased some type of compulsory military training for its citizens.
Ukraine or importantly its mouth pieces need to start being careful about what they say. You cant insult people who charity you are relying on Also I think we should be slow to criticise Ukrains about mobilisation: they have suffered enormous casualties, so easy to sit on the sidelines and yell. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11635800)
The Wall Street Journal reports US officials saying 'roughly 50% of the ballistic missiles fired by Iran failed to launch or crashed before reaching their target'.
Iranian drone stuck in power lines in Kurdish Iraq…. |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11635787)
When you are doing it for real Henra, the time of testing and training has passed.
Trust me, the lessons from the Red Sea have been eye opening. |
Originally Posted by Economics101
(Post 11635807)
Don't you realise that defeat for Ukraine puts NATO allies like Poland and the Baltics next on Putin's list?
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Define attack - when you are murdering people in the street in the UK using nerve agents by your intelligence services, that’s an attack as much as exploding a bomb.
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Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11635841)
Putins not going to attack a nato country. All the countries he has attacked have been non nato.
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Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11635841)
Putins not going to attack a nato country. All the countries he has attacked have been non nato.
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I wonder if they can refuel it send send it back home ;)
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This war (and the war in Ukraine) is coming to a head and people need to be careful which side they pick.
Do you ally yourself with Democracy or Dictatorship? Choose wisely. |
Originally Posted by jethro15
(Post 11635006)
To some it may seem a dumb question, but warfare is not my forte
Given tonight's developments, I've heard of American and UK air forces being involved. Is anyone else involved? Or is it a stupid question to ask? Not a stupid question first off. Yes, several countries were involved including those the missiles flew over, Jordan for one. |
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