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Originally Posted by T28B
(Post 11658735)
A summary of points made in that article
- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters. |
Reported as brown bread on Jetblast.
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CFIT probably.
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Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 11658746)
Missed one.
- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters. |
In fog? In the mountains?
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I take it that you didn't get the joke, Ninthace? I got it. Maybe it's the Yank sense of humor that went past you.
- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters. |
No I was playing along - it's a British thing.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11659239)
No I was playing along - it's a British thing.
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Wikipedia says the copter carrying the Iranian president and his team was a Bell 212. It was likely an airframe sold to Iran in the late 70s when relations were solid between the US and Iran, when they bought dozens of F-14s, F-4 phantoms, and Bell models, like the AH-1J, 205, 212, 206, 214.
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is: 1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures? |
Copter, suggest you check out the thread discussing this on Rotor Heads.
The line being taken in that discussion is "Augusta Bell" but that info may be an estimate rather than a hard "I know it" bit. |
Not much choice if you're on the fringe
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1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter ? In the same way as 'Air Force One' doesn't translate well into Mandarin. LFH :E |
Let’s be fair it couldn’t happen to a nicer group of guys !
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They'll have another president in a couple of months. (From reading the news, looks like the way it works is that the VP will stand in for about two months as another election gets put together).
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Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00
(Post 11659299)
Wikipedia says the copter carrying the Iranian president and his team was a Bell 212. It was likely an airframe sold to Iran in the late 70s when relations were solid between the US and Iran, when they bought dozens of F-14s, F-4 phantoms, and Bell models, like the AH-1J, 205, 212, 206, 214.
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is: 1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures? |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 11659192)
Payback for the Ukrainian airliner shot down in Tehran, or for more recent reasons?
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thanks LW50, for the input. But it looks like on the other thread on this topic, tons of info has come out that yeah, the Bell 212 was a later-build, 1994 or so. It was sold on the secondary or open market, so it was fairly owned by Iran. It was in production from 1970 to 1998, just like how 90s-built Bell 412 are still in service with Canada, a 25-year old air frame isn't a big deal, still considered a mid-life aircraft.
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters... |
Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00
(Post 11659569)
thanks LW50, for the input. But it looks like on the other thread on this topic, tons of info has come out that yeah, the Bell 212 was a later-build, 1994 or so. It was sold on the secondary or open market, so it was fairly owned by Iran. It was in production from 1970 to 1998, just like how 90s-built Bell 412 are still in service with Canada, a 25-year old air frame isn't a big deal, still considered a mid-life aircraft.
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters... |
I see that Iran is blaming he US embargo on their being unable to get spares for their aircraft. So, as mentioned above, they send their president and other high officials out in a machine which
may be unairworthy. No problem, just shift the blame onto the 'Great Satan' - business as usual! |
Israeli UN ambassador at Security Council“You held a moment of silence to commemorate the mass-murdering President of Iran…This Council, which has done nothing to advance the release of our hostages, commemorates the man responsible for their suffering.
What’s next? Will the Council hold a moment of silence for Bin Laden? Will there be a vigil for Hitler? We wouldn’t be surprised...” |
He would say that, wouldn't he? (But being so mean will probably reduce the chance that Bibi gets a nice condolence letter when he passes on...)
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