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West Coast 19th May 2024 21:22


Originally Posted by T28B (Post 11658735)
A summary of points made in that article

Missed one.

- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters.

NutLoose 19th May 2024 21:56

Reported as brown bread on Jetblast.

albatross 20th May 2024 12:29

CFIT probably.


Lonewolf_50 20th May 2024 13:54


Originally Posted by West Coast (Post 11658746)
Missed one.

- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters.

Payback for the Ukrainian airliner shot down in Tehran, or for more recent reasons?

Ninthace 20th May 2024 14:27

In fog? In the mountains?

Lonewolf_50 20th May 2024 15:01

I take it that you didn't get the joke, Ninthace? I got it. Maybe it's the Yank sense of humor that went past you.

- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters.

Ninthace 20th May 2024 15:18

No I was playing along - it's a British thing.

langleybaston 20th May 2024 15:37


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11659239)
No I was playing along - it's a British thing.

good shot sir!

Copter Appreciator00 20th May 2024 16:45

Wikipedia says the copter carrying the Iranian president and his team was a Bell 212. It was likely an airframe sold to Iran in the late 70s when relations were solid between the US and Iran, when they bought dozens of F-14s, F-4 phantoms, and Bell models, like the AH-1J, 205, 212, 206, 214.
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is:
1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures?

Lonewolf_50 20th May 2024 17:14

Copter, suggest you check out the thread discussing this on Rotor Heads.
The line being taken in that discussion is "Augusta Bell" but that info may be an estimate rather than a hard "I know it" bit.

Lordflasheart 20th May 2024 18:25

Not much choice if you're on the fringe
 
...

1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter ?
Because 'Marine One' doesn't translate well into Persian.

In the same way as 'Air Force One' doesn't translate well into Mandarin.

LFH :E

Jack D 20th May 2024 18:56

Let’s be fair it couldn’t happen to a nicer group of guys !

Lonewolf_50 20th May 2024 21:05

They'll have another president in a couple of months. (From reading the news, looks like the way it works is that the VP will stand in for about two months as another election gets put together).

BBadanov 20th May 2024 21:37


Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00 (Post 11659299)
Wikipedia says the copter carrying the Iranian president and his team was a Bell 212. It was likely an airframe sold to Iran in the late 70s when relations were solid between the US and Iran, when they bought dozens of F-14s, F-4 phantoms, and Bell models, like the AH-1J, 205, 212, 206, 214.
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is:
1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures?

Looking at TV coverage of the cabin interior, I thought it was a Bell 214, poss even the VIP variant the 214ST. So yes, old.

West Coast 20th May 2024 23:02


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11659192)
Payback for the Ukrainian airliner shot down in Tehran, or for more recent reasons?

For every Iranian weapon that enters Ukraine.

Copter Appreciator00 21st May 2024 05:09

thanks LW50, for the input. But it looks like on the other thread on this topic, tons of info has come out that yeah, the Bell 212 was a later-build, 1994 or so. It was sold on the secondary or open market, so it was fairly owned by Iran. It was in production from 1970 to 1998, just like how 90s-built Bell 412 are still in service with Canada, a 25-year old air frame isn't a big deal, still considered a mid-life aircraft.
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters...

Lonewolf_50 21st May 2024 12:58


Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00 (Post 11659569)
thanks LW50, for the input. But it looks like on the other thread on this topic, tons of info has come out that yeah, the Bell 212 was a later-build, 1994 or so. It was sold on the secondary or open market, so it was fairly owned by Iran. It was in production from 1970 to 1998, just like how 90s-built Bell 412 are still in service with Canada, a 25-year old air frame isn't a big deal, still considered a mid-life aircraft.
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters...

My guess is (1) reliability and (2) ease of finding parts through various sources and/or (3) a situation where they weren't as chummy with their large neighbor as they are now.

bobward 21st May 2024 13:22

I see that Iran is blaming he US embargo on their being unable to get spares for their aircraft. So, as mentioned above, they send their president and other high officials out in a machine which
may be unairworthy. No problem, just shift the blame onto the 'Great Satan' - business as usual!

ORAC 21st May 2024 13:50

Israeli UN ambassador at Security Council“You held a moment of silence to commemorate the mass-murdering President of Iran…This Council, which has done nothing to advance the release of our hostages, commemorates the man responsible for their suffering.

What’s next? Will the Council hold a moment of silence for Bin Laden? Will there be a vigil for Hitler? We wouldn’t be surprised...”

Lonewolf_50 21st May 2024 15:03

He would say that, wouldn't he? (But being so mean will probably reduce the chance that Bibi gets a nice condolence letter when he passes on...)


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