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Seizing a Panamanian registered Tanker full of Iranian Oil....now it is the British that are poking the Ayatollah's in the eye instead fo those pesky Americans.
A news report states there are four Iranian owned Tankers engaged in the illegal shipping of crude oil. Memory serves me there have been four Tankers attacked by Limpet Mines.....sounds fair to me that the SBS and SEAL's do a direct action operation in retaliation.....let the Ayatollah's do the math on how many Tankers they have as compared to the rest of the World. |
Regretably, together with the buffoon Boris' comments when he was Foreign Secretary, I don't see Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe coming home soon.
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Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10510366)
Seizing a Panamanian registered Tanker full of Iranian Oil....now it is the British that are poking the Ayatollah's in the eye instead fo those pesky Americans.
A news report states there are four Iranian owned Tankers engaged in the illegal shipping of crude oil. Memory serves me there have been four Tankers attacked by Limpet Mines.....sounds fair to me that the SBS and SEAL's do a direct action operation in retaliation.....let the Ayatollah's do the math on how many Tankers they have as compared to the rest of the World. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10510184)
Well it’s one way to start a war....... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48865030 Oil tanker bound for Syria detained in Gibraltar https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8989371.html Iran threatens to seize British oil tanker in retaliation unless ship taken by Royal Marines off Gibraltar released Cheers |
Originally Posted by arketip
(Post 10510443)
You mean Iran should be allowed to shoot down a US airliner to be fair?
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Originally Posted by arketip
(Post 10510443)
You mean Iran should be allowed to shoot down a US airliner to be fair?
Did you ever stand up to a Play Ground Bully in your life? They hit you...you hit them back....they go pick on someone else! In the Freedom of Navigation game....which Navy will you bet your money on....the Iranian Navy or the US Navy? Every time one of their vessels crosses the 12 Mile limit and hazards any vessel in any manner...put them on the bottom and hold a Miller Time for all Hands. How long do you think that would last before they got the message? |
Who is the bully here?
Afaik, Iran has done nothing illegal under international law, whereas the seizure of their tanker is pretty iffy legally. No question the US Navy has much more power, not sure that might makes right in this instance. |
You of course assume Iran is not guilty of the attacks or deny Iran is behind the four mine attacks....right?
If you reject the idea that Iran is the guilty party....who did the attacks? |
SAS - I think there was quite a discussion about that question earlier - there were enough suspects to fill an Agatha Christie TV episode.
I see your point about playground bullies BUT -are you willing to take any consequences? Say the USN sinks a few Iranian warships - then I'd say it would be understandable if the Iranians sank a US ship or two - no? Or is it a one way street?? |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10513407)
....who did the attacks?
They have lots of motivation and plenty of previous. |
Originally Posted by Eclectic
(Post 10513631)
Mossad?
They have lots of motivation and plenty of previous. |
not the Jews - Israelis
Melmothw,
To say that it might have been Mossad is not being anti semitic. I personally have no particular love for the current Israeli regime nor of the Zionists (a political, not religious movement) and their continued breaking of UN mandates in building settlements on the West Bank. But for the Jewish religion as a whole, I have nothing but admiration considering all that was endured in the holocaust. Your suggestive statement "Ah, the Jews...." would suggest that no one can look at the possibility of a particular country or that countries security organisation might be responsible for an attack disguised as a terrorist attack is risible. There have been many false flag operations around the world by countries (ours included) wanting to stir the sh1t a bit. Just as I personally think that the student attack on legco in HK was possibly not by the undergraduates of a HK college but one much much further north. Rant over. |
I personally have no particular love for the current Israeli regime... ...the Zionists (a political, not religious movement) and their continued breaking of UN mandates in building settlements on the West Bank. There have been many false flag operations around the world by countries (ours included) Just as I personally think that the student attack on legco in HK was possibly not by the undergraduates of a HK college but one much much further north |
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Or is it a one way street?? Mess with the Bull....you get the horns! |
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...iran-h2q85hn6v Royal Navy frigate ‘on standby’ amid fears Iran could seize oil tanker Defence chiefs are considering plans to order a Royal Navy frigate escort for a BP oil tanker through the Gulf after Iranian officials threatened to impound British vessels. British Heritage, a tanker owned by BP Shipping and registered in the Isle of Man, is off the coast of Saudi Arabia after Tehran today repeated the threat, which it first issued last Friday. That was a response to the detention of an Iranian tanker in Gibraltar because of fears it could be used to breach sanctions. The fate of the tanker is now being debated at the highest levels, with the future of shipping in the Strait of Hormuz at the entrance to the Gulf, the world’s most important shipping lane for oil and gas, at stake. Iran has threatened to close the Strait periodically if its vessels are blocked from trading oil as a result of the Trump administration’s decision to reimpose tight sanctions on it. The United States, Britain and other allies have been equally vehement that the Strait must remain open and said “all options” would be considered to ensure this happened. HMS Montrose, a Royal Navy frigate based in Bahrain, is in the Gulf and is understood to have been alerted to a possible operation to “shadow” British Heritage as it sails. BP and Royal Dutch Shell are both refusing to comment on the vessel’s fate, fearing any escalation in the situation. Vessel tracking websites today showed that British Heritage was still in the Gulf, well clear of Iranian waters, off the Saudi port of Dammam. A Royal Navy spokesman refused to comment on whether a request for naval protection had been received....... British officials are said to be in close touch with the US and other allies about the threat to shipping in the region. A firm decision on what to do next has not been made as yet, The Times understands....... British Heritage had been due to pick up oil from the Iraqi port of Basra on a contract with Royal Dutch Shell, according to the financial news agency Bloomberg........ Vessel-tracking websites showed that the British Heritage, which was already in the Gulf, changed course on Saturday and failed to dock in Basra. The port, the key node at the head of the Gulf for Iraq’s oil industry, is a few miles from the Iranian border and any shipping that docks there has to skirt Iranian territorial waters. The vessel is reluctant to try to leave the Gulf, which would also mean coming close to Iranian waters. The Strait of Hormuz is only 40 miles across at its narrowest point, with Iranian vessels also present. Major General Mohammad Bagheri, head of Iran’s armed forces, renewed its threat to British shipping this morning. “Capture of the Iranian oil tanker based on fabricated excuses will not be unanswered and when necessary Tehran will give appropriate answer,” he said. Separately, the Gibraltar authorities said that tests had confirmed the Grace 1 was “filled to the brim” with crude oil, discounting other claims that it was carrying fuel oil........ |
Originally Posted by Seight
(Post 10510355)
Thanks - I'll try to behave !
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Whilst the melmoth and acw contributions are still up I notice a truly appalling post has been removed by the mods -
sort of shakes you to see that sort of thing in print on here |
Whilst the melmoth and acw contributions are still up I notice a truly appalling post has been removed by the mods - sort of shakes you to see that sort of thing in print on here |
Now where were we.....oh...yes....dealing with playground bully's we were discussing.
It seems five Iranian Revolutionary Guard Gun Boats tried to seize a UK Oil Tanker....until the Royal Navy Frigate showed up and pointed the Ship's guns at the bad boys. The Iranians elected to have a run ashore in lieu of boarding the Tanker it seems. Odd that....show the Bully Boys they are going to get their hind ends kicked and they leg it. Not much changes over the years when it comes to stuff....really. If you appease them...they only grow bolder......remember that "Peace in our time...." stuff from yesterday year? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nker-Gulf.html |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10515486)
Now where were we.....oh...yes....dealing with playground bully's we were discussing.
It seems five Iranian Revolutionary Guard Gun Boats tried to seize a UK Oil Tanker....until the Royal Navy Frigate showed up and pointed the Ship's guns at the bad boys. The Iranians elected to have a run ashore in lieu of boarding the Tanker it seems. Odd that....show the Bully Boys they are going to get their hind ends kicked and they leg it. Not much changes over the years when it comes to stuff....really. If you appease them...they only grow bolder......remember that "Peace in our time...." stuff from yesterday year? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nker-Gulf.html |
Looks like Foriegn Office PR Dept is at work. |
no warning to stop |
This new whiz bang will change the rules of the game a bit....120 nm range.....find you three different ways....now try to target a Drone in International waters with a few of these looking for your emitter.
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/new-nav...from-120-miles |
I wonder if anyone is dusting off old copies of Operation Earnest Will and the various O-Plans that are associated with it.
32 years later and we see SSDD: Same Stuff, Different Decade. |
Lots of technology and force structure differences between then and now......bad conduct by the Revolutionary Guard.....not so much.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48958359
The UK has brought forward plans to send a second warship to the Gulf amid rising tensions with Iran. HMS Duncan is currently in the Mediterranean and is expected to join HMS Montrose in the region next week. It comes after the UK government said Iranian boats tried to impede a British oil tanker in the Gulf on Wednesday. Meanwhile, Iran has reiterated calls for the UK to release an Iranian-owned oil tanker which was detained by Royal Marines in Gibraltar last week. An Iranian official, speaking to state news agency IRNA, warned the UK not to get involved in "this dangerous game". The relationship between the UK and Iran has become increasingly strained in recent weeks. On Tuesday, the UK raised the threat to British shipping in Iranian waters in the Gulf to the highest level - where the risk of attack is critical. The following day, boats believed to belong to Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) approached the British Heritage tanker and tried to bring it to a halt as it was moving out of the Gulf into the Strait of Hormuz. HMS Montrose, a British frigate shadowing the BP-owned tanker, was forced to move between the three boats and the ship, a Ministry of Defence spokesman said. Iran denied any involvement in the attempted seizure. HMS Duncan, a type 45 Destroyer, will operate alongside HMS Montrose in the Gulf for a short period, before HMS Montrose goes back to Bahrain for routine maintenance. A government spokeswoman said: "As part of our long-standing presence in the Gulf, HMS Duncan is deploying to the region to ensure we maintain a continuous maritime security presence while HMS Montrose comes off task for pre-planned maintenance and crew change over. "This will ensure that the UK, alongside international partners, can continue to support freedom of navigation for vessels transiting through this vital shipping lane." |
A Type 45 deploying to the Gulf at the height of summer - what could possibly go wrong...
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Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad
(Post 10517007)
A Type 45 deploying to the Gulf at the height of summer - what could possibly go wrong...
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Iranian and US officials held a secret meeting in the northern Iraqi province of Arbil late on Tuesday, US media reported Wednesday.
A group composed of the grandson of the founder of the Islamic Republic, Hassan Khomeini, and two Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers and Iran's envoy to Iraq, Iraj Musjidi, met US officials in Arbil after growing. Iran's internal political struggle, between conservatives and reformists. The IRNA network confirmed that its sources had provided information about the "launching of a campaign of political liquidation among the dissenters in Iran, the secular government led by Hassan Rowhani and the conservative conservatism of Qayad Ali Khamenei, which led to the arrest of 125 Iranian officials and the assassination of an unknown number, Nasseri, which called for a group of officials angry as a result of the current dispute, the holding of the meeting with the United States, and for unspecified reasons, most of the desire to stop the current weakness of the government in Tehran. The network pointed to "a split in the ranks of the Basij, in addition to the government, where the political campaigns of liquidation, fearing a soft coup against the current regime." https://www.alghadpress.com/news/%D8...A-%D9%88%D8%A7 |
In the meanwhile....the UK is dispatching more warships into the area....doubling or tripling its presence there.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/952237...third-warship/ I am sure the Bangers and Mash from the supply ship will go over swell on any US Warship it services! |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10517159)
Lonewolf....
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Iran seizes 'fuel-smuggling' tanker in Gulf
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Originally Posted by ericsson16
(Post 10521788)
Seems like they can claim it was a legitimate stop until all data is provided. |
Iranian drone shot down
From the Telegraph
US President Donald Trump said on Thursday that a US warship destroyed an Iranian drone in the Strait of Hormuz amid heightened tensions between the two countries. Mr Trump said the USS Boxer took defensive action after the drone closed to within 1,000 yards of the warship and ignored multiple calls to stand down. The President called it the latest "hostile" action by Iran and urged other countries to condemn what he says are Iran's attempts to disrupt the freedom of navigation and global commerce in the strategic waterway in the Persian Gulf region. He said the drone threatened the safety of the American ship and its crew. Iran recently shot down a US drone that it said was flying over Iran. Trump called off a planned retaliatory airstrike at the last minute, citing the number of potential casualties. This is a developing story. |
Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10521803)
Seems like nobody wants to own up to owning it and where it was going.
Seems like they can claim it was a legitimate stop until all data is provided. Just a thought. |
Iran makes 'substantial' nuclear offer in return for US lifting sanctions
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...arif-sanctions |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 10522170)
I don’t know if this is a revelation to you or not, but you don’t have to hold a position, you can wait out till evidence is made public. Just a thought. I am happy, like you are, to express an opinion, it is my opinion solely, neither of us has to be right or wrong. Ultimately we are just expressing personal opinions and having read your opinions, I think I can safely say that they are yours solely, not influenced by anybody. It is why I read them. |
U.S. Navy Flotilla Encounters Iran in Strait of Hormuz
In the WSJ.
Extract:- An unarmed Iranian navy Bell 212 helicopter flew alongside the Boxer, yards away from the deck, before it was chased away by a U.S. helicopter. The commander of the Boxer, Capt. Ronald Dowdell, called the engagement “surreal.” The convoy swept past the speed boats without incident but was followed by the larger Iranian military vessel, which came as close as 500 yards to the Boxer—the distance the U.S. navy allows before verbally communicating to a ship not to come any closer. U.S. helicopters flew between the Iranian ship and the Boxer to warn it away, then followed a white Iranian aircraft that U.S. naval officials identified as a Y-12 surveillance plane. Soon after, at approximately 10 a.m. local time, the Boxer convoy downed the drone, a U.S. official said late Thursday. |
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