Tricky one.

The obligation to render aid to survivors has to be balanced with the risk to ones own crew.

What exactly is the risk to an SSN's crew off Sri Lanka, from Iranian forces back in the motherland ?

(the weapons fit on this particular ship was very much of the light frigate, SAG-only type, so it wasn't exactly a ASW asset in the first place, but after it has sunk that makes it even less of an excuse)

As for the terrorism originated from the current Iranian regime that may stop.

When it comes to mass immigration. That's a fact of life because the world in general is completely unstable, thanks to various repressive, violent and incapable regimes.

That won't change.


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"Tricky one. The obligation to render aid to survivors has to be balanced with the risk to ones own crew.
What exactly is the risk to an SSN's crew off Sri Lanka, from Iranian forces back in the motherland ?"

Well you can can hardy take them all on board - numbers for a start - and they're not going to be happy - in fact they will be mad as hell. You could signal the sinking immediately to all vessels and hang around until someone turned up but you might be worried about just who that someone might be.

I'm afraid we finish up with the same issues as the "Lusitania" sinking in WW1. Submarines are different

Lot's of damage has been done, yes, with more to come, but the IRCG will continually remain in some unfortunate form. Anyone dumb enough to put boots on the ground in Iran will deal with IRGC endlessly, that is until they grow tired of unsuccessful grind of lives lost and great quantity of resources uselessly expended a la the considerably smaller Iraq. Has no one learned from Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam (who did I leave out?)

I'm interested in just who is suicidal enough to take over Iran with a large "Supported" stamp from the USA?



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I am afraid I differ.

It is a modern open ocean SSN, not an old style SSK. Just put a swimmer in the water and pull em up the casing, zip tie them and shove them below. They can be packed in on an SSN, there is room, of that I can be sure. Might be a tad cramped and smelly and awkward. Offload them tout suite in the nearest port, or transfer at sea There are no offensive ASW assets within a thousand miles. And 99% of folk pulled out of the sh1t are very happy in my experience.

Excuses can always be found. It is the intent that matters. It is what makes 'us' different than the other lot.

(Just like with drug runners)

(The reason Iranians are not running out into the streets has a lot to do with how Trump et al have mishandled Venezuela. Good will takes centuries to gain and seconds to lose )

I think the essence of SSN is to stay below the surface for very long periods, not to drag enemies up the casing, download them at sea or pop into a port.

Might be worth referencing The Laconia Incident here (Wikipedia is your friend).

Not too well publicised, as it paints several participating combatants in a poor light. In short, 1942, German U-Boat U-156 sank the British liner RMS Laconia, unaware that a substantial number of Italian POWs were on board. As the ship sank the U-Boat commander, Korvettenkapitan Hartenstein, ordered his vessel to surface, assisted the survivors and transmitted an uncoded mayday. Some time later as his and compatriot submarines were actually towing the lifeboats towards land, the flotilla was attaacked by an American B-24 and B-25s, and the U-Boats were forced to escape.

The upshot of this incident was Grand Admiral Doenitz issuing orders forbidding his vessels from such assistance henceforth; the so called Laconia Order. At Nuremburg, Doenitz was indicted on this count as a War Crime, but received no sentence as, it was argued, British and American vessels had implemented identical policies since the beginning of their participation in the War.

(Incidentally, and for the alleviation of confusion, my solicitors (Damidges, Grabbit and Runne) have advised me to make the following declaration;

1. I am unrelated by birth or marriage to any 3rd Reich Grand Admirals.
2. I am unrelated to the namesakes of any dock-bound Type 45 Destroyers beginning with D.
3. I have no business connection to any high street circular-sweet-patisserie franchise).

From NBC News https://archive.ph/kFQXJ

His story changes every hour and in the wrong direction

I genuinely fear what he will do when it becomes public the level of death and destruction US troops have suffered at the hands of the Iranians. He may very well lash out like a cornered rat and this conflict could very quickly spiral out of control.

A shame that bone spurs don't place the appropriate first boot on the ground on the correct foot.

This non-war, non-SMO, non-police-action makes we wonder if we have forgotten the old saying:

"friends don't let friends drive drunk... "

As much as we may find Irans leaders to be autocratically bound in a theocracy that places a greater interest in the preservation of a moustache than the life of their females, it seems that if this action is the answer, it might be time to revisit what on earth the question was.

Watching the train traverse the canyon without a bridge is amusing when Wile E. Coyote is concerned, less so when you may wish to consider how many new plots of land are going to be needed as a response to whatever it is that the shining light on the hill is up to today. Seems to suggest that the files are Pulitzer grade material.

With great power comes great responsibility, or so it used to say on a fortune cookie, or a Spiderman comic strip...

Russia is now providing targeting information to Iran and the US are easing Russian sanctions at the same time. You couldn’t make it up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russia-providing-intelligence-iran-location-us-forces-wsources-say-rcna262115

The US also hadn’t the sense to fill the strategic oil reserves up before hitting Iran and cutting off 20% of the worlds supply. hence the fuel prices in the US are rising.

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That’ll buff out….. not.

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Hopefully the UK arrests yesterday show MI5/MI6 are aware of any plans for the UK….

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The US has approved the emergency sale of 12,000 BLU-110A/B 1000lb general-purpose bomb bodies to Israel. Part of the order to be filled, presumably immediately, “from stock”.

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“Our commanders have abandoned us. They’re hiding like rats.”

An Iranian soldier in Lorestan says commanders have deserted their posts and gone into hiding fearing Israeli and US bombardment, leaving conscripts like him to face the danger alone. He says soldiers are sleeping outside in barracks yards, the desert, and the wilderness out of fear.

​​​​​​​Reports like this are becoming increasingly common, with soldiers saying their commanders are sacrificing their lives while protecting their own.

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It should be noted that the U.S. is a net exporter of oil; of course there's another way to look at this - if the reserves had been topped up there would be huge profit potential. Of course, with our new Venezuelan oil resources there are other factors to consider. And of course Trump did just mention Iranian oil......

There are obligations under the Geneva convention, your propulsion system does not exempt you from them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Geneva_Convention