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Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 11753693)
Who knows.
But I doubt the RAAF would have done so without a nod from the USAF - right? As someone said earlier, for deterrence to be effective it needs to be publicised (to a degree, sensibly, taking into account Operational Security). Quite happy to be corrected as a civilian, but I would have thought any operational security implications here are reasonably limited? So in this case - what might be the message that is being sent - and to whom? In the case of the USAF, its message might be "...we have friends who will not hesitate to actively assist us and are doing so, despite any overt or veiled threats to them..." and I'd suggest it's a message as much to China as anyone. I would suggest flying your most valuable strategic bomber on the way to an actual real mission through a staging point like Tindal is a big message to send. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 11753373)
Why was it necessary to reveal that? (Did the Aussies ask for credit?)
Retrospectively Its was pretty obvious, the B-2 were recorded on live ATC when they checked in entering australian airspace NE of Cairns Australia. Plane spotters were already asking 5 american tankers (4 KC-135;s and 1 KC-48) were all chilling at cairns airport. It was going to get out so get on top of it quickly and use its a show of power global reach, global power They didn't land in AUS. Allegedly they took from Whitman, refueled near calif, then hawaii, cairns, darwin and deigo garcia.After that no one is talking about assume 3 went in as strike package and the two trailing infllight landed at deigo garcia |
Why Israel no longer tells the US their plans….. CONSEC no longer exist in the USA….
LEAKED: U.S. intelligence documents on Israeli preparations against Iran have been leaked. Document 1: Israeli Air Force Preparations (15-16 October 2024) — Israeli Air Force (IAF) conducted large-scale exercises simulating strikes on Iran. These exercises involved handling long-range air-launched ballistic missiles (ALBMs) and covert UAV operations. — At least 16 Golden Horizon ALBMs and 40 ISO2 Rocks ALBMs were moved since 8 October. There were exercises involving refueling, aerial support, and combat search-and-rescue with KC-707 tankers and Gulfstream aircraft. — ALBM-related operations took place at Hatzor, Ramat David, and Ramon Airfields, with missile handling continuing at various facilities. Document 2: National Geospatial Intelligence Agency Assessment This report evaluates various indicators of Israel’s military activity geared towards Iran, focusing on weapons handling, air defenses, ground forces, and UAV operations. Key assessments include: — Weapons Handling: ALBM and precision-guided munitions handling is medium to low. — Air Operations: Elevated missile defenses, covert UAV flights, and aircraft defensive dispersal are observed at medium and low levels. — Ground Forces: Limited movement related to Iranian proxies; primarily defensive. — Special Forces: Preparations for external operations are at a medium level, suggesting potential readiness for strikes. — Navy: No significant naval movements observed, but defensive measures are in place. — Nuclear and Missile Forces: No major dispersals or activity indicating nuclear preparations. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fa854103a3.png https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ade50e4089.png |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11753844)
Why Israel no longer tells the US their plans….. CONSEC no longer exist in the USA….
LEAKED: U.S. intelligence documents on Israeli preparations against Iran have been leaked. I saw an article last week reporting that Biden and Harris had a telecon with Netanyahu discussing what actions Israel should or shouldn't take in response to the latest Iranian attack. I'm sure Netanyahu is smart enough to know better than tell them what Israel had planned - knowing it would likely end up in the US News within 24 hours. In fact, it might be an opportunity for Israel - tell the POTUS that they are going to attack XYZ, it gets reported in the news, Iran takes appropriate counter measures, then Israel does something completely different... |
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 11754073)
In fact, it might be an opportunity for Israel - tell the POTUS that they are going to attack XYZ, it gets reported in the news, Iran takes appropriate counter measures, then Israel does something completely different...
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CNN reporting the documents are authentic - leak being investigated.
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Give it 48 hours.
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Let's get this timeline - Biden says something about stopping arms to Israel and almost immediately these documents are leaked, a leak that appears to embarrass the USA?
How does that stack up against making a full false website to support an operation that involved selling booby-trapped pagers and walkie-talkies into a very nervous supply chain via someone the supply chain trusted enough to not use e-bay or Amazon or even alibaba? Sure, the FBI sold compromised cell phones to criminals in the US, but still. If Israel doesn't have dozens of highly placed spies in the Pentagon I'd be surprised. I do like the apparent confirmation that Israel has nukes, something that Israel has long been wishy-washy about. |
? Golden Horizon ALBM ?
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? Golden Horizon ALBM ? https://www.twz.com/air/air-lora-isr...om-the-shadows As for Rocks: https://www.twz.com/26582/israeli-fi...usting-missile |
NEW⚡️
Israel uncovered an Iranian spy network made up of seven immigrants from Azerbaijan, including a father and son. The suspects allegedly conducted around 600 espionage operations for Iran, gathering intelligence on IDF bases later targeted in Iran’s missile attacks. They also spied on IDF Headquarters in Tel Aviv and Iron Dome batteries. |
What I find intriguing about those documents is the degree to which the US is using all intel assets to verify what the Israelis are (or aren't) telling them.
IMINT, MASINT, SIGINT - and this re a nation they are supporting with weapons and funding. Puts into context the anecdotal story that one of the recent phone calls began with Biden shouting, "Bibi, WTF?!!!" |
Fascinating piece about IAF's possible undisclosed UAVs:
https://www.twz.com/air/the-existenc...as-no-surprise |
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Last year, I called for suspending Ariane Tabatabai’s security clearance for her role in an Iranian info op. Amazingly, she’s still in her job. The latest apparent leak to an Iranian Telegram channel reflects the Biden-Harris administration's tolerance of insider threats. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1a7d4cd6e.jpeg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....eb5888d48.jpeg Is Ariane Tabatabai the mole leaking US secrets to Iran? The crazy truth is that it doesn't matter, it's so much worse that that. If a woman with close personal and family ties to the IRGC (a group bent on the destruction of America) can get hired to a position that gives her top level clearance to all US (and allied) secrets, and then keep her job for years after she is exposed as literally taking directions from Iranian officials, the US bureaucracy is clearly so dysfunctional that there are no doubt dozens more like her, and it could have been any of them. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....931732443b.png https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fcf11514c0.png |
"BRICS: Iran Receives License to Produce Russian Su-30 and Su-35 Fighters
Iran has received a license from Russia to produce Su-35 and Su-30 multirole fighters on its territory. This became known yesterday. The agreements were probably reached at a meeting in Kazan during the BRICS summit. The Su-35 and Su-30 are fourth-generation multirole supersonic fighters with high combat capabilities. The Su-35 is equipped with a radar capable of detecting targets at long ranges and can carry a wide range of weapons, including air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles. It is highly maneuverable and capable of fighting in a variety of conditions, making it a formidable adversary in the air. The Su-30 is a two-seat fighter that is also highly maneuverable and multifunctional. It can perform tasks both to gain air superiority and to strike land and sea targets. The Su-30 has the ability to refuel in the air and is equipped with modern navigation and control systems, which makes it versatile and reliable in various types of operations. Iran currently does not have the capability to produce its own military aircraft. FYI: Russia initially promised Iran delivery of completed Su-35 aircraft by March of 2024 in exchange for Iran's support of their war against Ukraine, including transfer of the Shahid technology for production in Russia and supplies of ballistic missiles. This announcement makes it clear that Russia is incapable of making good on the deal due to sanctions and lack of other resources due to the war." |
Just sayin'......
Other movements of interest headed east across the pond over the last 24 hours. 8x KC-135 4x KC-46A" https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e175e6c570.png https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....88c5dda0e0.png https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7829c24a42.png |
Nothings secret for even hours these days.
US Air Force KC-135T 58-0047 #AE0243 and KC-135R 57-1440 #AE023B were observed via Sentinel-2 L2A today, October 25th, 2024, at 0950Z east of Sicily These tankers were seen with at least 2 fighter-sized aircraft that they were "dragging" (refueling along in transit) to CENTCOM's AOR. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c0e88715c7.png |
”The Mystery of today’s Tanker Activity over the Mediterranean has been Solved, with U.S. Central Command announcing the arrival of F-16CJs with the 480th Fighter Squadron from Spangdahlem Air Base in Germany to Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia. F-16CJs and the 480th specialize in the Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD).
This however does not the explain the Dozen or so other Aerial-Refueling Tankers that were seen over Europe this morning, as well as several which crossed the Atlantic from the United States. Lots of Aircraft are being moved around in preparation for a Confrontation with Iran.” |
Not sure what’s going on, but this is all being reported at the same time. No official confirmation.
According to Bloomberg, the United States has offered Defensive Assurances to Saudi Arabia if they are Attacked by Iran or its Proxy Groups. NATO announces that in the event of a war between Iran and Israel, it will stand by Israel and any country that intervenes on Iran's side will become an enemy of the West. |
Iran's army ordered to prepare for war with Israel, NYT
Iran will surely respond if Israel strikes oil facilities, nuclear facilities or high-ranking officials. In particular, an attack using up to 1,000 ballistic missiles is not excluded. Right now, 10 US Air Force tankers, escorted by 20 F-16 fighter jets, are on their way to the Middle East. |
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