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"U.S. Central Command announced the engagement in a press call with reporters, saying Iran's military capability has been "dramatically degraded."
Very interesting Hangarless ! Is this the same "dramatically degraded" as the previous version of the statement, or in fact from the version before that, or from the even earlier version of "dramatically degraded" Or does it mean that what is left, if anything, of the previously "dramatically degraded" has been "dramatically degraded" even further ?? All very confusing as we were of course told some weeks ago that the Iranian Military had in fact been "emasculated" El G. |
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BREAKING: Fighter jets are reported flying over several cities in southern Iran, including Shiraz. It is believed that some of them are Mirage 2000-9EAD multirole fighter jets of the UAE Air Force. They may carry out further retaliatory airstrikes on Iran tonight. |
CENTCOM:
U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyers are currently operating in the Arabian Gulf after transiting the Strait of Hormuz in support of Project Freedom. American forces are actively assisting efforts to restore transit for commercial shipping. As a first step, 2 U.S.-flagged merchant vessels have successfully transited through the Strait of Hormuz and are safely headed on their journey. |
Originally Posted by BonnieLass
(Post 12081004)
They do. However as has been seen before, the radar signature and the actual vessel can differ. There have already been cases of merchant ships that had been anchored close to the Khasab - Ramchah line being ordered via VHF radio by Iran to move away from that line of ships, at least one was fired upon in the last 24 hours (thankfully no-one hurt and no damage done). The skiffs have also been harrassing ships that do not move away fast enough. It appears that any vessel within sight range of the line is being shifted away. Ships that have been anchored off Ras Al Khaimah are being ordered out of that area by Iran.
The average length of the cargo ships in the line is 65m, ample space to hide skiffs in its shadow. Once AIS is turned off the ship will become invisible, hence why it is a legal obligation to leave the system switched on even at anchor. These Iranian cargo ships are going dark as soon as they have anchored, the AIS signals are showing til 24 hours pass, after that unless you actually look for them via AIS (if you know their IMO identification or name) you will be hard pressed to see them and the skiffs rarely if ever have AIS transponders. At the same time that Iran has been building the line of ships on the Khasab-Ramchah line, the Houthi have increased their harrassment and attempted hijacking at Bab-el-Mandab. Given that the Houthi are aligned with Iran, it is more than coincidental that both major shipping route choke points are experiencing raised activity levels. All of the above is being confirmed by UKMTO. |
Two tankers? hit and UAE port hit after Trump announcing escorts. One South Korean ship and one UAE ship.
Warning shot fired at US Navy ships to back off as they were heading towards the straights |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 12081144)
Two tankers hit and UAE port hit after Trump announcing escorts. One South Korean ship and one UAE ship.
Rockies are not going to be too happy about the HMM NAMU being hit. It is indicated to be Panamanian registered, Rocky owned, not a tanker, a curious layout Grp 3 tub. The other ship was reportedly UAE owned. (Would have been cheaper to have bought some crypto from Iran). The NAMU was out of DMM on the way to Shanghai, until bibbies excursion interrupted play, so China will probably be less than impressed as well. Might turn out to be a good day yet. The Namu appears to be brand new. WYNTOR's "EPIC GOAT 2" might be on the money, I would suggest "Operation 60-Day Resolve, version XXX". |
One of my best mates who lives out there messaged me at 14:15 our local time here to say that there was a missile warning alert given from the authorities. She and her daughters straight away went into their safe space in their house (the Burj sail hotel is visible from outside her front porch st a distance )
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12081128)
USN, obliquely, confirming the Strait has been mined.......
At least with a convoy, the survivors can be picked up from a known spot. Might be an idea to sailboat min crew as well, or, set a fuze and the A/PLT and drive a few supertankers into Kharg Island or Bandar Abbas. |
Originally Posted by Wyntor
(Post 12081082)
Listened to a US Gov guy on CNBC today waxing lyrical about how US and Venezuela could replace lost oil from Gulf.
Originally Posted by BillS
(Post 12081091)
sorry, unable to download video from i but here is a screenshot - no belief in validity. It does not look like Missiles
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 12081093)
Looks dubious to me - any of our resident navy experts care to weigh in on the type?
The Simpson was decomissioned in 2015 (the last of the Perry Class the USN operated). Aviation wise, they were built from the get go to have two SH-60B Seahawks on them... FWIW, there was some talk about bringing them back, but ... ... June 2017, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral John Richardson revealed the Navy was "taking a hard look" at reactivating 7-8 out of 12 mothballed Perry-class frigates to increase fleet numbers. While the move was under consideration, there would be difficulties in returning them to service given the age of the ships and their equipment, likely requiring a significant modernization effort. Although bringing the frigates out of retirement would have provided a short-term solution to fleet size, their limited combat capability would restrict them to acting as a theater security cooperation, maritime security asset. Their likely role would have been serving as basic surface platforms that stay close to U.S. shores, performing missions such as assisting drug interdiction efforts or patrolling the Arctic so an extensive upgrade to the ships' combat systems would not need to be undertaken.An October 2017 memo recommended against reactivating the frigates, claiming it would cost too much money, taking funding away from other Navy priorities for ships with little effectiveness. What we got instead was the LCS, which is :mad:...and to date has had little effectiveness. Lose-Lose. :uhoh: |
Next truce July 3 or a bit before.
Keeps Congress sidelined:E |
The latest shipping news.
Apparently two US merchant ships have transited the Strait. |
Originally Posted by BillS
(Post 12081091)
sorry, unable to download video from i but here is a screenshot - no belief in validity. It does not look like Missiles
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...fire-exercise/ https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....daa35f073f.gif |
In addition to Remus mentioned by LW above, it may be of interest here to note that the RN has been transitioning to a joint Franco British vehicle called the MMCM (Maritime Mine Counter Measures) programme. The 'mothership' for these USVs is the RFA Lyme Bay which is currently in Gib but a week ago was in the Channel.
I suspect that some of the USV component are already in the Gulf. |
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If minesweepers from any non-US navy look to deploy in the Strait, presumably they would need air cover or some other kind of protection? And presumably that would have to be provided by the US? Could that arrangement be trusted, given the mercurial directions coming from Trump?
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Fujairah was such an obvious target, I thought the reason it hadn't been hit was because it has defences. This suggests that either it wasn't being defended or that the defences were overwhelmed. Does the US detect attacks and warn the UAE etc? Is anyone defending Yanbu?
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying
(Post 12081176)
Next truce July 3 or a bit before.
Keeps Congress sidelined:E We need a counter app for this one. The unfortunate thing is, it restricts the application of funding that should occur, if the WH can make a cogent argument to the house as to what they are doing. Johnson may not be doing Mr T any favours, as the grumbling on process is quite noticeable against the house and the WH too. One would imagine that there are stuffed vegetables in the refrigerator that could make a rational case for attacking Iran, after all, it's Iran guys n' gal's, why would you not want to go mess in their kitty litter? That Mr T has not made the case and keeps on swallowing his own comments which then get regurgitated as a mystery scrabble high score is unfortunate, as much as it is entertaining. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 12081170)
I don't think the refining capacity exists, since the gulf nations also sell refined products, not just crude. However I am not an oil industry expert so I'll leave it at that.
That's FFG-7 class. Last I checked, the USN stopped operating them, but a number were offered up to foreign navies. A Fig Seven. :) The Simpson was decomissioned in 2015 (the last of the Perry Class the USN operated). Aviation wise, they were built from the get to to have two SH-60B Seahawks on them... FWIW, there was some talk about bringing them back, but ... Having operated from a few of them, I'll say that their expiry date was reached and they needed to be replaced by a good frigate. What we got instead was the LCS, which is :mad:...and to date has had little effectiveness. Lose-Lose. :uhoh: Woofy, you are being rather kind to the LCS program. The Freedom Class was appalling, and only looked good against its sibling the Independence which at least had the decency to commence its own disassembly, usually while under steam. Compared to the LCS debacle, the Oliver Hazard Perry was a paragon of design excellence. Made a pretty fair basis for coast guard cutters... |
Originally Posted by AirScotia
(Post 12081271)
Fujairah was such an obvious target, I thought the reason it hadn't been hit was because it has defences. This suggests that either it wasn't being defended or that the defences were overwhelmed. Does the US detect attacks and warn the UAE etc? Is anyone defending Yanbu?
Originally Posted by fdr
(Post 12081279)
Compared to the LCS debacle, the Oliver Hazard Perry was a paragon of design excellence. Made a pretty fair basis for coast guard cutters...
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As neither Mod nor Admin:
President Trump issued a stern warning to Iran regarding potential attacks on U.S. naval vessels in the vicinity of the Strait of Hormuz. He indicated that any such aggression would result in severe repercussions for Iran. From the more official point of view: most of you have stayed "on topic" so please give yourselves a round of applause. :D |
Does the US detect attacks and warn the UAE etc? Is anyone defending Yanbu? RAAF Deployment |
Originally Posted by 601
(Post 12081311)
Supposed to be a RAAF Wedgetail E7-A deployed to the UAE.
RAAF Deployment It is such a low profile, going by his statements, it seems Trump doesn't even know |
Originally Posted by golder
(Post 12081334)
It was quietly announced, that we also deployed a Sabre, or one third of our SAS special forces
It is such a low profile, going by his statements, it seems Trump doesn't even know |
The next step would be to deploy our stuff from Talisman Sabre
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Overnight there have been more ships added to the proverbial "line in the sand" just inside the Strait of Hormuz from Khasab to Ramchah. A small channel is open close to Larak Island, which is very heavily fortified and relatively undamaged during the original attacks by the US and Israel.
The positioning of the ships is such that nothing will get through, they are using a zipper like alternating pattern, bow to stern with a slight overlap all the way up that line. The anchorage for Ras-al-Khaimah has now been almost completely cleared. Iranian patrol boats (not skiffs) were herding ships and they had warnings over their radio to move away from the line of ships put in place. There are confirmed reports of commercial shipping that was slow to react were fired upon. The commercial ships are now using Sharjah and Dubai anchorages. The anchorage for Fujairah is now virtually empty - again Iranian fast craft were herding ships away, one ship was hit and, of course, later in the day the port was hit. The Gulf of Oman from Muscat to the entrance of the Strait is very quiet.....yesterday there were many many ships at anchor at Khor Fakkan and Fujairah anchorages and they have all largely gone into extremely tight groups offshore An example of this.....some of the pale blue arrows are Iranian patrol type boats.....these ships are being herded, whether as some sort of target or not remains to be seen but none appear able to leave. The first image is that of one such group of ships, the other is showing where they are in relation to Khor Fakkan (there is a second such group in the image too). I am hoping they are not being used as a form of hostage taking by the Iranians but at this point you cannot tell one way or the other. You'll notice that most of the commercial ships are pointing their bow outwards. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....99532aedf5.png https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5b5bd25a9f.png The anchorages within the Persian Gulf of Ras al Khaimah, Sharjah and Dubai....the majority of the ships now seen on the Sharjah and Dubai anchorages this morning were at Ras al Khaimah yesterday morning https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....81646edb2f.png The number of VLCC and oil products tankers in both areas and on both sides of the Strait of Hormuz, if hit, would be not only a humanitarian but an ecological disaster. At the entrance to the Red Sea, Bab-el-Mandab there is still skiff interference going on. |
BREAKING: The United Arab Emirates is conducting retaliatory airstrikes against multiple civilian and military targets inside Iran. From IRGC Navy sites to petrochemical facilities in Bandar Abbas, and other locations across Hormozgan Province, including Qeshm Island, targets are reportedly being struck by UAE Air Force fighter jets, including Mirage 2000-9EADs. Armed drones of the UAE Air Force are also involved in these airstrikes. There is a high possibility that U.S. Navy fighter jets operating from USS Abraham Lincoln are also joining Emirati aircraft in these strikes. Local reports from Hormozgan Province indicate: . 04:15–04:16 (Qeshm Island): Two explosions heard, windows reportedly shaking. 04:18 (Bandar Abbas): Two explosions heard, described as similar to wartime bomb blasts, strong enough to shake windows. 04:19 (Bandar Abbas): Reports of up to three explosions. These real-time reports suggest multiple strikes across Bandar Abbas and Qeshm Island within minutes, indicating a coordinated wave of attacks. Local reports by @Vahid of explosions heard in the Iranian Qeshm island and the port of Bandar-Abbas at around 4:15 am local time (1.5 hours ago). Satellite imagery from this morning has identified more than 85 IRGC Navy fast attack craft of various sizes staged in the waters of the Strait of Hormuz, just south of Qeshm Island. The total length between the first and the last boat is approximately 22km. |
UKMTO are listing a reported ship on fire at Mina Saqr anchorage yesterday, image below of where that is in relation to Ras al Khaimah (the circled area is Mina Saqr). This would tie into the ships being ordered to move south from Ras al Khaimah by VHF broadcasts from Iran yesterday and reports of shots being fired by Iran. The anchorage at Mina Saqr was heavy with ships 24 hours ago, now just a handful remain.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3b40e8be3f.png https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c3b5f78cd2.png |
Originally Posted by mahogany bob
(Post 12081199)
The war is entering a crucial stage.
Rather than sit back and hope that the Strait will reopen UK and the EU should send minesweepers ( do we have one ready ? ) to help clear the way . They are defensive and we are much more anxious to see the Strait open ASAP than America due to our barmy energy policy over the years. The USN used to have 4 minesweepers based in Bahrain but they were decommissioned late last year. There are only 4 left and I believe they are based in Japan. |
USAF United States Air Force Boeing KC-46 Pegasus 1x #AE5F9B 18-46048 - Unknown C/S A KC-46 currently over the Persian Gulf has been airborne for over 15 hours. It departed Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv, routed down to the Gulf of Oman, and back to the Persian Gulf. They appear to have been refuelled by a KC-135 which is now squawking 7700 “General Emergency”. The KC-46 is continuing its orbit at FL220, so there isn’t any indication at this stage if an issue with this aircraft. A US Air Force KC-135 is squawking 7700 flying in the direction of Doha. https://flightradar24.com/3f8b1da2 https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....35e21cedf2.png |
Link to a BonnieLass post in the JB Iran thread.
Worth monitoring her posts on the maritime situation. https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/650...l#post12081372 |
Doesn't appear to be any confirmation of the report that the UAE attacked Iran
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Thanks Bonnielass for the updates, keep them coming!!
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There is possibly an escapee.
Interstellar. She is a sistership to New Fusion which escaped despite being on the US sanctions list, she is now anchored in one of the huddles I posted above off Fujairah. Interstellar seems to be making a run for it, her AIS appears to be either delayed or perhaps turned off. Both ships were part of the Torm fleet and are about 20 years old. When New Fusion made transit a few days ago she was showing a destination of Singapore, she is showing Fujairah anchorage now. Interstellar is showing Singapore as her destination.....effectively matching her sister. There is no word as yet as to whether Interstellar is also subject to US sanction but both ships are known to carry Iranian oil / oil products. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....56872a64f1.png https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b88066ced6.png I shall keep an eye on Interstellar as she transits and if she joins her sister off Fujairah or heads towards the Far East. Another ship that came under US sanctions, LB Energy, that left the Iranian port of Bandar Imam Khomeini on April 19, 2026 is heading towards Moroni Anchorage, Comoros https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....67d635e863.png For three ships under US sanction...I think Interstellar will be and New Fusion and LB Energy were confirmed as such....the US sanctions or blockade of Iranian ports does not seem to be working. |
Reference post 5664 above. (Speculation in the second last link is the author's - not mine.)
USAF United States Air Force - 7700 General Emergency Boeing KC-46 Pegasus 1x #AE5F9B 18-46048 - YETI ?? A second tanker has declared an emergency this morning over the Persian Gulf. This time, the KC-46 which departed Tel Aviv over 17 hours ago, and looked to have been refuelled by the KC-135 that also declared an emergency this morning. They are currently flying at FL220. Tracking is intermittent. 10:58z - 18-46048 has re-appeared headed West over Saudi Arabia at FL220. Full path of the US KC-135R Stratotanker that was squawking 7700 emergency before disappearing from flightradar24. (Reg 62-3578) There a chance it tried to land in Qatar (signal lost due to gps jamming) but there is also a chance it crashed due to an unknown event/technical issue. The KC-46A that was operating on the same spot has also squawked 7700 emergency while over Saudi Arabia, returning to Tel Aviv. Wouldnt be suprised if they collided mid-flight earlier. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0f6b767347.png https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d538b82c4a.png |
Originally Posted by AirScotia
(Post 12081270)
If minesweepers from any non-US navy look to deploy in the Strait, presumably they would need air cover or some other kind of protection? And presumably that would have to be provided by the US? Could that arrangement be trusted, given the mercurial directions coming from Trump?
The USN used to have 4 minesweepers based in Bahrain but they were decommissioned late last year. There are only 4 left and I believe they are based in Japan. |
Another E-3G en-route to PSAB....
USAF United States Air Force Boeing E-3 Sentry 1x #AE11DF 77-0351 - SHUCK 80 An E-3 Sentry as SHUCK 80 is passing through UK airspace en route to (presumably) Ramstein Air Base in Germany. They made a stop at Pease ANGB en route from Tinker AFB, reportedly due to a cancelled AAR off the East Coast. |
Originally Posted by AirScotia
(Post 12081270)
If minesweepers from any non-US navy look to deploy in the Strait, presumably they would need air cover or some other kind of protection?
And presumably that would have to be provided by the US? Could that arrangement be trusted, given the mercurial directions coming from Trump?
Originally Posted by Uncle Fred
(Post 12081328)
...Methinks the bilateral will not be taking place.
Originally Posted by BonnieLass
(Post 12081536)
The Ukrainian crews have been training with the British Royal Navy for almost a year and to NATO standard.
There used to be an MCMFORMED in NATO's southern region, which had annual exercises. It was renamed Standing NATO Mine Countermeasures Group 2 (SNMCMG2) and is currently led by Greek Navy Captain Dimitrios Karamoutzogiannis. The question I'd have is: would NATO collectively choose to offer that standing Naval force for an out of area operation, or would a separate task force be formed for such an operation? I suspect the latter, or, NATO collectively would not agree (among the 30 Plus Nations) to use a NATO formation and whomever wished to participate would do so under an ad hoc multinational coalition which could open up participation to other nations, such as the Indian Navy... |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 12081558)
The question I'd have is: would NATO collectively choose to offer that standing Naval force for an out of area operation, or would a separate task force be formed for such an operation? I suspect the latter, or, NATO collectively would not agree (among the 30 Plus Nations) to use a NATO formation and whomever wished to participate would do so under an ad hoc multinational coalition which could open up participation to other nations, such as the Indian Navy... Tbh I find it sad and unfortunate that the US is not party to this plan, but at the same time I totally understand why the US has been left out of it given the contempt shown towards NATO and non NATO Allies. At the moment in the Gulf of Oman, there are Pakistani and Indian warships patrolling along an almost territorial type line tween Muscat and Gwadar. There are also Portugese warships in the area that are patrolling the sea lanes from Salalah to Bab-el-Mandab. There may be other nationalities of warships in the region but they are not registering on AIS. In relation to Bab-el-Mandab, there are two Russian tankers following each other, the Krasnoyarsk and Kareliya. An odd thing is they both left northern ports (Barents Sea / Baltic area) but are coming from Persian Gulf area, perhaps shadow fleet maybe. They both should be under sanction. |
It makes the 'cease fire' similar to the Hamas/Israeli 'cease fires': a cease fire is declared but they keep on shooting at each other.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12081374)
BREAKING: The United Arab Emirates is conducting retaliatory airstrikes against multiple civilian and military targets inside Iran.
From IRGC Navy sites to petrochemical facilities in Bandar Abbas, and other locations across Hormozgan Province, including Qeshm Island, targets are reportedly being struck by UAE Air Force fighter jets, including Mirage 2000-9EADs. Armed drones of the UAE Air Force are also involved in these airstrikes. There is a high possibility that U.S. Navy fighter jets operating from USS Abraham Lincoln are also joining Emirati aircraft in these strikes. Local reports from Hormozgan Province indicate: . 04:15–04:16 (Qeshm Island): Two explosions heard, windows reportedly shaking. 04:18 (Bandar Abbas): Two explosions heard, described as similar to wartime bomb blasts, strong enough to shake windows. 04:19 (Bandar Abbas): Reports of up to three explosions. These real-time reports suggest multiple strikes across Bandar Abbas and Qeshm Island within minutes, indicating a coordinated wave of attacks. |
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