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Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad
(Post 12040260)
A USN Poseidon has been (understandably) scouring the depths for quite a few hours prior to their arrival.
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Not only a Russian or Chinese sub ... and it will be well aware of any others
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Originally Posted by MissChief
(Post 12040247)
Deception is permissible in war, and to protect oneself or the community, according to the Koran. Seemingly both the USA and Iran are adopting this tactic.
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https://mei.edu/publication/irans-re...as-apocalypse/
Iran’s Revolutionary Guard and the Rising Cult of Mahdism: Missiles and Militias for the Apocalypse |
I would imagine America will enter the conflict with a little concern. It only takes one drone or missile to hit something vital and a mighty warship can be sent to the bottom. Not to mention air assets.
Add to that fog of war and it can all go tits up very quickly. You also have to consider that Russia or China may have slipped them a few things. Gary Powers will testify to that. |
Originally Posted by TURIN
(Post 12040487)
Iran or any other country for that matter is never going to use a nuclear device as a first strike offensive weapon. It would be absolute suicide.
Your error is that not everyone views the world from a western Judaeo-Christian mindset. Whether an individual decides to run amok with a machete which will end in their near certain death or an organisation chooses to commit an atrocity that will unleash revenge across a multi-faceted array of intelligence, resources and co-operation with 21st century technology, the same parameters apply. To a very different mindset, the act is always more important than the consequences. In some parts of the world, it is still the middle ages and those guys have some rather nasty toys and a particular set of beliefs. |
There was an interesting article in the Guardian yesterday, covering the start of the war in Ukraine. The Brits and Americans could not convince the French, Germans, broader Europeans or the Ukrainians that war was coming. Even on the night of the invasion, the Germans didn't believe it! No one thought the Russians were that crazy. Plus, we had blotted our copybook with the 2003 Iraq invasion.
There is a track record of countries not believing another is going to do something insane. And you don't need to be a religious fundamentalist to do things few others in the world can understand. https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng...e-plans-russia |
Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS
(Post 12040512)
Really! Put Iran in a position where there is about to be a regime change as a result of a large conventional attack by US forces and ask yourself how the mad mullahs might react if they had an operational nuclear weapons capability!
I have no love for the regime in Iran but to suggest they want nuclear weapons to deliver a strike against an enemy risking total annihilation for their entire country is nonsense. |
Originally Posted by B Fraser
(Post 12040605)
The same can be said for hijacking and slamming airliners into skyscrapers, the Pentagon etc. etc. The response is always going to be overwhelming and on an industrial scale that your society cannot even think about matching. And yet....... it happens.
Your error is that not everyone views the world from a western Judaeo-Christian mindset. Whether an individual decides to run amok with a machete which will end in their near certain death or an organisation chooses to commit an atrocity that will unleash revenge across a multi-faceted array of intelligence, resources and co-operation with 21st century technology, the same parameters apply. To a very different mindset, the act is always more important than the consequences. In some parts of the world, it is still the middle ages and those guys have some rather nasty toys and a particular set of beliefs. The acts of individuals are very different to the acts of a nation state. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Are they on your list of people with different beliefs. This warmongering idiocy has to stop. Remember Iraq and the lies over WMDs. |
Re Post 2736
A USN Poseidon has been (understandably) scouring the depths for quite a few hours prior to their arrival. Aaaah ! ... The Ghosts of ZP-14 |
at least 15 kc-46a pegasus seen on the ground at lajes field in the azores, located in the northern atlantic roughly 900 miles from the coast of portugal, a major stopping-off point for aircraft on the way to bases in europe and the middle east from the americas. Aerial-refueling tankers positioned at lajes could also potentially support long-range bombers heading towards iran, with tankers stationed at lajes providing refueling for the b-2s that struck iran’s nuclear sites last june in operation midnight hammer. |
this is worth a look
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Originally Posted by TURIN
(Post 12040618)
Yes, that's called a deterrent. It's the reason we have nuclear weapons. The reason we don't have Russian military assets positioning throughout the North Sea threatening to bomb the hell out of London. FAFO.
I have no love for the regime in Iran but to suggest they want nuclear weapons to deliver a strike against an enemy risking total annihilation for their entire country is nonsense. As has already been correctly pointed out to you, your last sentence, to use your vernacular, is absolute tosh. That is precisely what Iran would be prepared to do. You are falling into the trap of judging Iran and trying to predict its actions and responses based on western values. Iran doesn’t run on western values! |
"Put Iran in a situation where it knows it is about to lose a conventional war and ask yourself if you are 100% confident that Iran’s ideology would prevent it from going out with a big yellow flash!"
but people are saying on other threads that Russia might start firing off N weapons if they looked like losing in Ukraine. Thats the whole point of N weapons - they're something you can use when you're losing a conventional war - applies to everyone who has them. " Iran doesn’t run on western values!" Neither does China, Pakistan, India, Russia, NOK or Israel |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 12040805)
"Put Iran in a situation where it knows it is about to lose a conventional war and ask yourself if you are 100% confident that Iran’s ideology would prevent it from going out with a big yellow flash!"
but people are saying on other threads that Russia might start firing off N weapons if they looked like losing in Ukraine. Thats the whole point of N weapons - they're something you can use when you're losing a conventional war - applies to everyone who has them. " Iran doesn’t run on western values!" Neither does China, Pakistan, India, Russia, NOK or Israel |
Guess those KC-46's are not as worthless as some would lead you to believe.
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I still hold the same opinion on the KC-46, It was all politics and nothing about capabilities, I won't rehash the questionable competition than led to the purchase,
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 12040805)
" Iran doesn’t run on western values!" Neither does China, Pakistan, India, Russia, NOK or Israel
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Video
The massive USAF airbridge to support future strikes on Iran continued overnight, with dozens of airlifters moving additional air defense assets and munitions into the Middle East. "You don't fly 70 cargo planes into a single base for a 'limited strike.' The airbridge we saw overnight confirms that the Pentagon is prepared for a weeks-long air campaign, not a one-off event. By moving THAAD batteries and bunker-busters simultaneously, the U.S. is signaling it is ready to both take the punch and deliver a knockout blow. |
Video with interesting comments about the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which apply whether the attack is on Monday, Tuesday or a later date….
White House Inside Source tells @JohnKiriakou Trump has decided to ATTACK IRAN on Monday or Tuesday. According to John’s source, Vice President JD Vance & DNI Tulsi Gabbard are ONLY 2 dissenting voices. Rubio, Hegseth & Joint Chiefs of Staff all on board. |
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