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Originally Posted by India Four Two
(Post 11909618)
So seven B2s crossed the Atlantic and then the length of the Mediterranean, threading their way through busy airways all the way and meeting tankers as required.
How did they do that? Did they file fake flight plans, pretending to be civil aircraft? Or did civil radars just turn a Nelsonian blind eye and maneuver civil traffic out of the way? They have the radar signature of a small bird. So a primary return radar won't pick them up at all. They don't use their transponders while on a mission - so there is no squawk code on an air traffic control radar and therefore nothing to register on secondary return radar. They don't file flight plans. They use pre-approved classified flight corridors, or military air traffic control. They descend to refuel and when they do all you would see is the primary and/or secondary return of a tanker and it's transponder code if it chooses to squawk. I believe the B2s cruise at around FL50 - about 10k feet above the highest civilian airliner traffic. So no diversion needed. The only person outside the military and decision makers who saw what was going on, was the dude in Warsaw Missouri, who happened to see the package heading East, when everyone else was following the feint West. But no-one noticed what he'd said at the time... |
During GW1 there were high level discussions in the Whitehouse as to who would announce the US were going in, they were scuppered in their efforts by an airman that issued NOTAMS informing the world of the impending large scale USAF flights to Saudi.
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How odd. I thought the Israelis were just limbering up, preparing for the long haul. Surely they haven't achieved their war aims already?
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Israel is saying they have achieved all of their objectives. From the Times of Israel :
The Prime Minister’s Office says in a statement that the premier met with the cabinet, the defense minister, the IDF chief of staff and the head of the Mossad “to report that Israel had achieved all of the objectives of Operation Rising Lion, and much more.” |
I am waking up to Trump's cease fire "coup" and asking myself if the Iranian missile strike on Qatar was essentially theatre rather than a serious attempt to inflict damage on US forces.
Perhaps Trump had agreed the basis of the cease fire with Tehran and Jerusalem beforehand but recognised that Iran needed to show it retaliated so "invited" them to lob six missiles at preadvised targets so that Qatar and USA could shoot them down. He loves theatre, he loves being the centre of attention, and he'll turn up at the NATO summit like a cat with two tails. Very clever if that is what he has done. |
Originally Posted by TWT
(Post 11909656)
Israel is saying they have achieved all of their objectives. From the Times of Israel :
https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...any-violation/ |
How odd. I thought the Israelis were just limbering up, preparing for the long haul. Surely they haven't achieved their war aims already? The IAF got all their HVA targets on day one using surprise - especially the people, military leadership and nuclear scientists. Since then they've been destroying the factories and ammunition dumps for centrifuges, missile fuel etc etc. But by this stage Iran will have dispersed most of what’s left and the IAF will be flying long missions to pound rubble. In the meantime they got whag they really wanted, the USA to bomb the deep buried factories. Whether that worked or not is a moot point which will only be discovered if and when they allow inspection - which will depend on what demands Trump makes now the ceasefire is in place in order to keep it place. The problem for Israel was they have been exhausting their stock of David’s Sling and Arrow missiles and an increasing number of Iranian IRBM have been getting through, and they seem to have plenty left - so they need time to build and restock (to a far higher level till next time). As far the Iranian nuclear programme it seems they have preserved their stock of HEU and either still have, or will shortly have, restored their ability to further unhandled it to weapons grade - unless, behind the scenes, the USA is making enough threats to make them agree to dismantle the programme. The talking head consensus, however, is that the Lat 12 days will have further convinced the leadership they need their own nuclear weapons as fast as possible and, if anything, they will accelerate production as fast as possible. If there is further angle to this I would point to the reactions of Russia and China. The Russian connection has proved a disaster for Iran. Their Russian SAM have proved totally ineffective and the promised, and paid for, SU-57s have failed to appear as Russian production is concentrating on their own forces and Ukraine. Meanwhile China is interested in keeping the Gulf of Hormuz open and access to their supply of Iranian oil - and Iran will have been watching the success of the Chinese J-10C and PL-10E against modern western weapons. I can see interest in China in having a greater presence in the area, even a port in Iran, and selling modern weapons to Iran in exchange for oil, and in Iran seeing them as a far more powerful partner than the fickle Putin. |
Oh no, tell me it’s not true, everyone on here said I was wrong.
Possibly hardliners in the Iranian military launched it? About an hour ago sirens sounded over the northern part of Israel as an incoming missile was successfully intercepted and people in that part of the country have been given the all-clear. But it throws into doubt the ceasefire that hadn't really come into full effect yet. Israel had promised any violation, Iran would see a forceful response. Tehran has denied firing missiles at Israel. We don't know how that missile came to be fired, whether it was a mistake or another explanation, but senior government figures view it as a violation of the ceasefire deal. It is certainly an uncertain and tense time for people across Israel. Just as they thought there might be peace coming in the hours, days and weeks ahead, the air raid sirens sounded once again. |
Seems the cease fire didn't last that long.
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The Hundred Years War lasted a hundred and sixteen years.
We can reasonably expect the Twelve Days War to last at least a hundred and twelve days. :E |
Originally Posted by cavuman1
(Post 11909582)
The adults in the room are relieved that President Trump has taken steps to quell the Iranian nuclear threat.
- Ed |
Iran stated last night they haven’t agreed to a ceasefire - just to stop firing if Israel stops attacking them. A technical point perhaps _- but it means they can’t be accused of breaking a ceasefire they haven’t signed.
Meanwhile Trump continues to be in his own fantasy land….. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....12571cda3f.png https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....760f45ad6e.png |
Doesn’t sound like Iran will be willing to talk about their nuclear programme, or much else.
BBC: Iran top security body warns 'further aggression will be met with response' 09:42 Ghoncheh Habibiazad BBC Persian, World Service reporter Iran's Supreme National Security Council has released a statement about "imposing the halt of the war" on Israel and its "terrorist supporters". The Council warns that "any further aggression will be met with a decisive, firm, and timely response by Iran". In the statement, the Council praises the Iranian people for their "awareness, resilience and unity", saying the "enemy’s defeat" is down to Iranians’ "firm resolve, strategic patience, and refusal to accept humiliation or one-sided compromise". The statement also commends Iran and its forces for delivering "decisive and calculated blows" in retaliation for attacks on Iran. |
Strangely enough, I tend to believe the Iranian version of the facts more than anything Trump puts out, look at India and Pakistan sorting out internally their differences and Trump claiming he did it.
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Three days ago showing the military build up of US aircraft.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5dd532239.jpeg https://airlive.net/military/2025/06...n-middle-east/ |
It speaks volumes that Iranian state media is probably more truthful than Trump and his Twitter account.
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11909665)
I am waking up to Trump's cease fire "coup" and asking myself if the Iranian missile strike on Qatar was essentially theatre rather than a serious attempt to inflict damage on US forces.
Perhaps Trump had agreed the basis of the cease fire with Tehran and Jerusalem beforehand but recognised that Iran needed to show it retaliated so "invited" them to lob six missiles at preadvised targets so that Qatar and USA could shoot them down. He loves theatre, he loves being the centre of attention, and he'll turn up at the NATO summit like a cat with two tails. Very clever if that is what he has done. |
It occurs to me that the Israeli Air Force must be burning through the hours on its combat aircraft.
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Wow
A US President just said live on air that he’s not happy with Israel. That’s one for the history books.
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