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Originally Posted by SASless (Post 11909291)

For a General whose country cannot defend itself against air attack to suggest his side is winning and going to prevail reminds us of the last days of WWII.

Worked for Giáp in Vietnam. Sent the U.S. home in defeat.

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Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11908721)

I should have known it was all on YouTube! Thanks!

No problem. Some more analysis at following link with better satellite imagery. Israel has also been bombing Fordow.

Explosions being reported overhead Doha (re BBC News)

Many flights diverting now. Qatar and UAE airspace closed

Hutch

Here comes the response, BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7ze4vmk2pt

Thoughts are with those who have friends/family out that way. I have several.

Trump not going to let that pass unanswered. Question is what are his options? Oil distribution could be a smart move....

Attack over - almost TBM intercepted by Patriot / THAAD. No casualties reported. President Trump & CJCS in Situation Room.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuJOYzTX...pg&name=medium

There you go, words fail me, I told you it wouldn’t end well and this guy has the finger on the trigger.
Gawd help us all, not exactly descalation words.

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Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless (Post 11909353)

Trump not going to let that pass unanswered. Question is what are his options? Oil distribution could be a smart move....

Iran reportedly prewarned the Qataris about the attack. Given its apparent small-scale and all missiles were intercepted, I wonder if the US will let this pass?

Back on topic

i believe Iran has made an effort at deescalation tonight. It might not seem like it to some but their response has been limited and all about not losing face. Face is one of the most important things to a Persian. They could not respond to the US attack otherwise they will lose face. They gave warning to Qatar. They only launched 6 missiles. No injuries and all missiles intercepted from what we know. This is an olive branch of deescalation from Iran and I only hope there are level heads in the US administration that recognise this.

A reminder to all:
If somebody has a go at you, please report the post rather than derailing the thread with an off topic response.

Also:
Let's play the ball, not the man.

Thank you all in advance.

On Topic:
@Widger: that's an interesting assessment of the missile salvo. Thank you. :ok:

Widger:
Not clutching at straws but I'd concur with that assessment. I also hope the White House sees things the same way.

Just heard from a friend in Doha.
Certainly some tense moments, but apparently the missiles are no longer falling.,

For Jobza:

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I also hope the White House sees things the same way.

As do I.

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i believe Iran has made an effort at deescalation tonight.

Gee...there I wuz thinking that all they had to do was pick up the telephone and call Mr. Trump and invite themselves to a chair at the negotiating table to achieve more than deescalation....they would have gotten a cease fire if they proved to be honest and genuinely willing to seek a peaceful resolution of this mess.

What was it about the maintenance of the aim?

The Iranian capability to produce weapons grade uranium has been damaged but not destroyed. They have managed to disperse their existing stockpile of 400kg of 60% uranium and, according to reports, have a further new, unlocated, production facility and sufficient centrifuges to enhance it to 90% weapons grade in 3-6 months.

Trump stated bluntly, after the raid, that the only option that Iranian had left was “total capitulation” and when asked what that meant said it meant the Iran had to let them in on the ground to finish the job.

48 hours later and all that has evaporated - vanished like early morning dew in the sun. TACO……

SASless,

That suggestion totally ignires Widger's comment about the need, prevalent in some cultures, to save face - if only for INTERNAL consumption.

You don't save face by ringing up and asking for peace talks. But if you strike back (in a limited way) first you can then tell (lie to) your own citizens that you forced the other side into peace negotiations. It's all about the optics.

I still do not think this is going to go away.

Dear colleagues:
One of our PPRuNe members lives in Doha. In the interest of personal security, their request was to not associate the following with their name, but to share it if I thought it would be of interest.
Here is what was sent to me via PM.

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I live with my family in Doha and work at Al Udeid. It was obvious to us from about noon local time that something was up.

As the sun set I was manning a lookout on the roof of our house. I had come down for some water when we heard the first booms. I got my family under the stairs on the ground floor and kept watch on the roof.

I watched all but the first missile fly almost directly overhead and watched every Patriot launch and interception. We heard and felt every boom.

The closest intercept was probably about 5km away from our house and debris fell about 5-10km from our house.

My family were terrified. I was happier to be outside watching than staying indoors in all honesty.

Once we felt that the wave had finished we headed to a nearby basement with some supplies. Our car was ready with supplies and a full tank of gas but my judgment was that the roads would be chaotic and that the basement was better if there were further missiles.

This was not a fun experience and I encourage everyone to try to put themselves in the shoes of the people on the receiving end before they bang the drums of war.

I ask you as a courtesy to our source to not engage in guessing or speculation of their nom de PPRuNe.

Thank you all in advance.