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Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11215244)
was also a nato E3 same place around the time of the strike, theoretically could have had range to supply targetting data, but if they baited it with a TB2 nato could keep its hands clean
The latest rumors coming from the russian side is that moskva's systems were jammed by F-18G's but still managed to intercept 4 or the 6 neptunes incoming. Personally think its BS because it would be provocative from the US and NATO to do that. The other slightly related rumor is that a C-40 clipper landed in odessa a few days ago under heavy electronic interference (F-18G's ?). It unloaded penguin mk2's then took off My assumption was that they were trying to get a handle on Russia's activities around Kherson and Mikoleiv |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11215248)
What range would Russian ships have to close to in order to present a credible threat to land forces in support of an amphibious assault?
The aforementioned KC135 has just come off station and is heading back NW. Hopefully whatever recon asset it was supporting is heading back home too with a 1 hour order for SuperSnaps... |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11215244)
was also a nato E3 same place around the time of the strike, theoretically could have had range to supply targetting data, but if they baited it with a TB2 nato could keep its hands clean
The latest rumors coming from the russian side is that moskva's systems were jammed by F-18G's but still managed to intercept 4 or the 6 neptunes incoming. Personally think its BS because it would be provocative from the US and NATO to do that. f Another victory, huzzah. |
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I don't know if this map is trustworthy https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/14-apr...ire-at-cruiser but seems the ship was a long way from home and the wrong side of Odesa really.
/sarc on Anyway it seems the Russians did a great job evacuating the 500 crew completely in 2 meter seas @ night in a short time, and already getting some tug ( I guess from sevastopol 170 miles away) and taking on tow a smouldering hulk perhaps still very dangerous /sarc off |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11215249)
Intriguing - the spotterverse has been alive with chatter about the presence of various NATO aircraft (Rivet Joint etc) over eastern Romania for the past few days. Coincidence?
My assumption was that they were trying to get a handle on Russia's activities around Kherson and Mikoleiv OK, I'll get my anorak off........ :p PS. Talk of the devil, just heard the next KC-10 off on its next trip. Again, on FR24. Anorak really off now! Byeeee! H 'n' H |
Originally Posted by Hot 'n' High
(Post 11215269)
Even before this all kicked off the RJs, CSs and KCs etc were out there daily. They fly over us outbound so hear/see them all the time, 7 days a week. And, before anyone shouts "OPSEC" at me, FR24 clearly shows many of them (clearly not all by a long way) up from various bases - so NATO clearly wants some of them to be seen - and where they come from - to send that message out too! ;) Black Sea, Romania, Poland, Lithuania, the Baltic..... and from all over Europe.... The E-3s will be having a full-time job just keeping tabs of all that friendly activity. But I'm sure the E-3s have other "interests" too. :ok:
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Latest reports from Turkish news are that Moskva sent out an SOS at 0105.
At 0114 she rolled on her side and at 0145 lost all electric power. At 0200 a Turkish ship lay alongside and started evacuating sailors from the hill and the water, rescuing a total of 54 men. At 0300 she is reported to have sunk. Rescue operations continue. Total reported number of crew is 510. |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11215272)
It was more the concentration of effort in this particular area which piqued people's interest.
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Originally Posted by pasta
(Post 11215233)
I'm not convinced. If the Kremlin has managed to persuade many of the Russian people that they're fighting a just and necessary war, wouldn't the losses just be portrayed as evil Ukranian Nazis slaying noble Russian warriors, further justifying the need to liberate Ukraine?
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Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS
(Post 11215285)
It probably would if Putin had admitted that the loss of the ship was due to attack by Ukraine Forces but the party line seems to be that an on board fire triggered an amunition explosion. So Putin would first have to admit to the Russian people that he lied, or at the very least, his information was unreliable.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11215279)
Latest reports from Turkish news are that Moskva sent out an SOS at 0105.
At 0114 she rolled on her side and at 0145 lost all electric power. At 0200 a Turkish ship lay alongside and started evacuating sailors from the hill and the water, rescuing a total of 54 men. At 0300 she is reported to have sunk. Rescue operations continue. Total reported number of crew is 510. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11215279)
Latest reports from Turkish news are that Moskva sent out an SOS at 0105.
At 0114 she rolled on her side and at 0145 lost all electric power. At 0200 a Turkish ship lay alongside and started evacuating sailors from the hill and the water, rescuing a total of 54 men. At 0300 she is reported to have sunk. Rescue operations continue. Total reported number of crew is 510. Edit to add: the only Turkish source i could find was on reddit. The video had been with been deleted amid claims of fakery. What is your source ORAC? |
Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS
(Post 11215285)
It o Putin would first have to admit to the Russian people that he lied, or at the very least, his information was unreliable.
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
(Post 11215296)
Once again this imputes that the Russians believe everything they are told which is, imo, far from the truth. The older generations know that lies of the black is white type were the norm pre 1990, and the younger people will obviously have noticed the differences between what the state says and what they are reading/hearing from the Web. If it is publicised that the Moskwa has been lost/badly damaged off Odessa, I don't think many will be sucked in by the "fire on board" story as if it had nothing to do with the "special operation". If there have been large numbers of casualties, then the official story of " all crew evacuated " will unravel pdq because many of the crew's families will live in the home port area and there will be a concentrated upswell of questioning/outcry/funerals.
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When K141 Kursk sank due to own torpedoes exploding, the Russkies blamed it on a "foreign sub".
Now as Moskva is hit by foreign missiles, the Russians say it was their own ammunition that exploded. They do have consistency there. |
Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
(Post 11215296)
Once again this imputes that the Russians believe everything they are told which is, imo, far from the truth. The older generations know that lies of the black is white type were the norm pre 1990, and the younger people will obviously have noticed the differences between what the state says and what they are reading/hearing from the Web. If it is publicised that the Moskwa has been lost/badly damaged off Odessa, I don't think many will be sucked in by the "fire on board" story as if it had nothing to do with the "special operation". If there have been large numbers of casualties, then the official story of " all crew evacuated " will unravel pdq because many of the crew's families will live in the home port area and there will be a concentrated upswell of questioning/outcry/funerals.
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John Kirby, Pentagon press secretary on CNN says there was one or more explosions and Moskva is making its own way slowly and possibly heading towards Sevastopol as it is heading in that direction. With it being the flag ship I take it they may have lost that command element of the fleet temporarily.
That would make sense because you wouldn’t want to limp into a Russian port shot to sh*t as it would get around and would do moral no good. Other reports say a Navy Admiral in Russia has been arrested. |
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