hello cupcake,

I take it you’re new to warfare?

They didn't need western targetting data, they could easily get if from the TB2 that was acting as bait

If they were going to help and I dont believe they would even consider it. They would have put up some F-18G's and disrupted the moskva's radars and electronics. Because that is totaly NOT an act of war according to russians because they 'claim' they did it donald cook in 2018

Wonder why ?

First possible shots of the moskva

And another, they did mention some had flown off and the heli deck doors are open.

Defo the Moskva unless another Slava class has been lost and nobody knows about it. The one in Ukraine which is not finished does not have the crane in front of the S-300 Launchers.

A few higher resolution shots of the Moskva:

The road and rail cross each other at least 3 times on.bridges and there is a long section where they run parallel. Just saying.

And a close-up:

That would appear to be seriously bent.
Still power to the fire pumps though.

More info and damage pics here:

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The damage shown is consistent with the Ukrainian account of the incident. BZ

those aren’t her pumps running - there’s a rescue boat on her starboard side - you can tell by the ship’s mast in the background.

Okay - did a bit of research. It looks like, in the pictures above, the rescue tug Shakhter is on site and providing firefighting support for Moskva -on her starboard side. The Project 712 - Shakhter (SB-922) is part of the Black Sea Fleet - out of Sevastopol. She was in port a couple days ago. Masts, stack, and hoses / water canons match perfectly.


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Photos of cruiser Moskva:

Were the pics taken before the "'stormy weather"? :E

Is the apparent red coloring of the deck associated with whatever is coming out of the fire hoses?


Mjb

Good effort in your research, WFFC.

There's gonna be a fairly high toll of the CIC team and others in that area north of the machinery spaces, but there should have been a recovery of much of the crew at least from the tub, how they will fare at Lefortovo is another matter. Russia is pretty tough on those that have dared to be survivors.... K-219, K-19 K429, etc...