Serves Russia right!! Great news,
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Good news comrade Putin, the navy divers just confirmed that the fire aboard the Moskva has been extinguished once and for all.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11215516)
I do feel a slight sadness for the crew, most of them will not be involved with shelling anyone, nor raping or looting, and it will be a blow to a close community in their home port, but it did need taking out and that will reverberate all the way to the top while making the Navy now back right off.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11215519)
Any word on casualties?
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New Ukrainian stamps issued yesterday
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e660adae87.jpg Begs the question was this part of a publicity campaign by the Ukrainian Post Office? |
Bit off topic
Seems to be somewhat of a weird warship does an impersonations of Type 42 Destroyer sinking day today. Moskva sinks like the Sheffield, while in the USA, the WWII USS The Sullivans has done an ARA Hercules (sunk at the dockside). |
Somewhere lies the truth….
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Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS
(Post 11215285)
It probably would if Putin had admitted that the loss of the ship was due to attack by Ukraine Forces but the party line seems to be that an on board fire triggered an amunition explosion. So Putin would first have to admit to the Russian people that he lied, or at the very least, his information was unreliable.
Glad the sailors were rescued though. |
I suspect that it was scuttled. Sooner or later evidence would have emerged as to whether it was hit by missiles or caught fire. Now it is sunk, the Russians can stick to their story.
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Originally Posted by oxenos
(Post 11215552)
I suspect that it was scuttled. Sooner or later evidence would have emerged as to whether it was hit by missiles or caught fire. Now it is sunk, the Russians can stick to their story.
And as for the sailors all being rescued, we only have Russian reports for that. Fire and explosion on a ship at night in rough weather is rarely 100% survivable. |
Poor towing procedure, sinking a perfectly good ship. I would not like to be the tugboat captain now.
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Originally Posted by Mariner9
(Post 11215553)
And as for the sailors all being rescued, we only have Russian reports for that. Fire and explosion on a ship at night in rough weather is rarely 100% survivable.
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https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c72949860a.jpg |
I have not seen any pictures yet, perhaps unsurprising. Presumably there will be an absolute clampdown on the Russian side but weren’t there reports of a Turkish vessel assisting?
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11215581)
I have not seen any pictures yet, perhaps unsurprising. Presumably there will be an absolute clampdown on the Russian side but weren’t there reports of a Turkish vessel assisting?
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 11215576)
Yes, off topic as in "That's a floating museum in NYC, not the current USS Sullivans, DDG-68, which has a helicopter deck aft (aviation content!) no hangar, as it's a pre Flight III Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
(Post 11215530)
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I always thought that Soviet ships looked better than western ones due to their appearance of bristling with weapons. I mean compare the Moskva with the USS Sullivans above. It now seems possible that strapping 16 cruise missiles to the upper deck is asking for an ammo fire if struck by enemy weaponry? I'm guessing Nato ships that store missiles internally have more options for fire suppression in the event of fires?
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Originally Posted by Mariner9
(Post 11215553)
I agree. Pictures of a badly damaged vessel being towed into port would also have been great propaganda for the Ukrainians/terrible for the Russians, and I doubt the Russians have the ability currently to repair her.
And as for the sailors all being rescued, we only have Russian reports for that. Fire and explosion on a ship at night in rough weather is rarely 100% survivable. |
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