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NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 07:42

Taking out a radar system


ORAC 6th Apr 2023 07:55

Thr US is rushing a bunch of 105mm tank ammo to ukr... why? nothing in ukr uses 105mm tank ammo (us)... nothing... shhhhhhhh i see nothing….

https://www.army-technology.com/proj...1-a2-howitzer/

The M119A1/A2 is a lightweight towed howitzer in service with the US Army. The howitzer provides direct and indirect fire support to the forces deployed in combined arms operations.…

Tartiflette Fan 6th Apr 2023 09:15


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11415529)
Polands latest supplies, but maybe part of the purchase agreement.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...C-0e7okdAtAAAA

What makes this a self-propelled mortar, instead of a self-propelled gun ? I believed that the defining characteristic of a mortar was loading down the barrel: the name being carried forward from the mediaeval barrel-loading mortiers.

Herod 6th Apr 2023 09:26

IIRC Germany is pulling some Leopard 1s from storage. I believe they use 105mm, as opposed to the 120 of the 2.

Beamr 6th Apr 2023 09:36


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11415604)
What makes this a self-propelled mortar, instead of a self-propelled gun ? I believed that the defining characteristic of a mortar was loading down the barrel: the name being carried forward from the mediaeval barrel-loading mortiers.

Mortars are easy to move from firing position to another compared to artillery. Also, mortarts usually fire at higher angle than 45 degrees dropping greanades near vertically, but range is limited compared to eg howitzers. Ammunition is different as well. a 120mm mortar may have max range of 10km while artllery goes beyond that.

Mortars are great infantry support tools with smaller danger area and can be moved around (shoot and scoot).

If that chassis would have a 120mm gun instead of mortar, it would be more of a IFV/MBT and most likely have a smoothbore gun intended for direct fire up to max 5km (comparing to eg. French AMX-10 RC). If it would have a 120mm gun it would then be a self propelled howitzer intended for indirect fire and ranges from 10km to 20km (ish).

212man 6th Apr 2023 09:53


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11415604)
What makes this a self-propelled mortar, instead of a self-propelled gun ? I believed that the defining characteristic of a mortar was loading down the barrel: the name being carried forward from the mediaeval barrel-loading mortiers.

I think the fundamental difference is that, despite being breach loaded, it still fires mortar rounds. So, with fins and carrying their own propellant. Makes for a much lighter barrel and also allows for switching between direct and indirect targeting.

NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 10:59

lucky ones.



Unlucky ones


NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 11:07


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11415623)
I think the fundamental difference is that, despite being breach loaded, it still fires mortar rounds. So, with fins and carrying their own propellant. Makes for a much lighter barrel and also allows for switching between direct and indirect targeting.

see

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-wi...elled-mortars/

NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 11:14

Bulgaria has closed its ports to any Russian ships.


NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 11:17

Ukrainian YPR-765 clobbered, all apparently survived.



NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 11:41

What do you think?


NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 11:43

They even think of us.




NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 11:47

Makes a nice desktop wallpaper.


Uberteknik 6th Apr 2023 11:48


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11415623)
I think the fundamental difference is that, despite being breach loaded, it still fires mortar rounds. So, with fins and carrying their own propellant. Makes for a much lighter barrel and also allows for switching between direct and indirect targeting.


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11415611)
Mortars are easy to move from firing position to another compared to artillery. Also, mortarts usually fire at higher angle than 45 degrees dropping greanades near vertically, but range is limited compared to eg howitzers. Ammunition is different as well. a 120mm mortar may have max range of 10km while artllery goes beyond that.

Mortars are great infantry support tools with smaller danger area and can be moved around (shoot and scoot).

If that chassis would have a 120mm gun instead of mortar, it would be more of a IFV/MBT and most likely have a smoothbore gun intended for direct fire up to max 5km (comparing to eg. French AMX-10 RC). If it would have a 120mm gun it would then be a self propelled howitzer intended for indirect fire and ranges from 10km to 20km (ish).


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11415604)
What makes this a self-propelled mortar, instead of a self-propelled gun ? I believed that the defining characteristic of a mortar was loading down the barrel: the name being carried forward from the mediaeval barrel-loading mortiers.

Fond memories of working on the design and development of the Merlin guided mortar bomb back in the late 1980's. Absolute bleeding edge state of the art with millimetric radar seeker, silicon-on-saphire (radiation hardened) in-house production RF front-end, signal processing and guidance control IC's, all surface mount ceramic substrate PCB's, polyamide interconnects, shaped charge warhead, fire and forget in an 81mm package.

After the wall came down and peace broke out, the UK MoD pulled out but the project continued development with fully private funding culminating in some very successful full system trials against moving targets. The key technologies transferred to other systems primarily Brimstone, Excalibur 155mm guided shells and some others I could reveal but then I'd have to shoot you!

Contrast this level of sophistication in British designed and built kit with the stuff shown in the recent images of the kh-101 undergoing development in the Soviet Union at the same time.

NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 11:53

This guy does some fascinating sat views of the defences being built etc.

https://twitter.com/bradyafr

Beamr 6th Apr 2023 14:18

Ukrainska Pravda: The US commends Ukrainian pilots’ proficiency and retraining pace – Ukraine’s Air Force

The US commended the proficiency of Ukrainian pilots evaluated for retraining to operate multirole combat aircraft (MRCA), as reported by Ukrainska Pravda, referencing Ukraine’s Air Force Command Brigadier General Serhii Holubtsov, speaking during a national telethon.

“We anticipated that our pilots would demonstrate their proficiency, and this was the case. Two pilots passed the test in the US. The evaluation is quite favorable, and at the conclusion of the report it is indicated that the F-16 retraining program for Ukrainian pilots can be significantly shortened compared to standard pilot training programs,” stated Brigadier General Holubtsov.
In the earlier reports, according to a spokesperson for the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), Colonel Yurii Ihnat, two Ukrainian pilots visited the US to assess the capabilities and requirements of a potential modern aircraft base training.

It is important to note that the Air Force has repeatedly emphasized that Ukraine requires MRCAs of the 4th+ generation, such as the F-16. It is for the purpose of gaining an advantage over the Russian aggressor in the ongoing war. The US has indicated that the transfer of such aircraft is not currently a priority.

Lieutenant General Mykola Oleshchuk, the Commander of the Air Force of the AFU, has urged his NATO colleagues to form an aircraft coalition and make every effort to provide Ukraine with MRCAs of the 4th generation capable of protecting Ukraine from Russia’s air terror.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/04/...orce/?swcfpc=1

ORAC 6th Apr 2023 17:03

The Moscow mosque conflict is escalating in Russia.

After Christian protests, Muslims have not been allowed to build a mosque in Moscow on ground considered holy by the Christians.

In response, Muslim Tatars set a Christian church on fire in Nizhnekamsk.

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​​​​​​​Kadyrov’s Chechen soldiers record a video from the Ukrainian frontlines, threatening to wage war against the Russians who have started protesting against the construction of a mega mosque in Moscow which could house 60 000 Muslims.

NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 18:04

Already posted.

One of the ironies of the war, all his gas nearly heads west lol.


NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 18:18

Well that’s different


NutLoose 6th Apr 2023 18:24

Ukraine shelling into Russia apparently

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