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212man 14th Feb 2017 20:02


Originally Posted by Pure Pursuit (Post 9676131)
Out of interest, is there any open source info regarding how much stress the airframe was during the event? I've often wondered if it's service life might be somewhat shorter than the rest of the fleet.

Do you think 2.06 g is going to affect the airframe life? Are you familiar with CS/FAR-25?

Pure Pursuit 14th Feb 2017 22:38

212man,

I am now... Thank you.

Pontius Navigator 15th Feb 2017 06:20

Is the CM still in progress?

Brian W May 15th Feb 2017 08:09

My impression is Beags actually knows the chap concerned and perhaps has a conflict of loyalty.

Doesn't excuse making rash unsustainable comments, but perhaps they are understandable. Most of the rest of us do, but we may not be SO dogmatic.

What perhaps needs to be said again is this IS a 'Rumour' network and all the moralists who say 'Wait for the outcome' are missing the point. YES the threads can be seen by 'outsiders' who will perhaps take information as gospel - from this 'Rumour' network. Caveat Emptor.

I started my own 'secret' Facebook page called 'Armchair Speculators' where we can say what the hell we like without 'sanction'. We only share our comments with invited 'Friends', with Facebook, GCHQ, NSA and DHS (daresay there's a few more).

dsc810 15th Feb 2017 17:21

@Pontius
The Oxford mail is reporting on it
see
Senior officer 'threatened' pilot over Brize Norton flight that went into sudden nosedive (From Oxford Mail)

tubby linton 15th Feb 2017 18:37

Out of personal interest and the detail would have been in an AAIB report , how many hours did the crew have on type and where did they do their conversion course? What struck me was the co-pilot saying that he was gentle with the recovery. The bus has load factor protection even when the FBW laws are degraded.There was no indication it had degraded to direct law , where it is lost.

Pontius Navigator 15th Feb 2017 19:26

dcs, thank you, fascinating. So two threads appear. One is that there was an effort to hush things up by the MAAIB and the other that the accused had become perturbed when asked to explain the difference between his statement and the evidence.

Chinny Crewman 15th Feb 2017 19:32

Deleted posts. Just my opinion and I'm not a mod.
Retired I read one of your deleted posts and in it you quoted and discussed a private message sent to yourself. We're not politicians so we don't 'leak' to create mischief consequently I think it is right that post was removed.

Union Jack 16th Feb 2017 08:40

My impression is Beags actually knows the chap concerned ..... - BWM

.....and BA/BY as well, looking at the latter's profile?;)

Jack

RetiredBA/BY 16th Feb 2017 11:05


Originally Posted by Union Jack (Post 9677793)
My impression is Beags actually knows the chap concerned ..... - BWM

.....and BA/BY as well, looking at the latter's profile?;)

Jack

Completely wrong, I,m afraid. My VC10s were BOAC and BA and my tankers were the Victor 1s of 57 Sqn. at Marham, so you can see my connection with AAR and Air Safety. I have updated my profile to show that.

Air Tanker were kind enough to show me the flight deck of a Voyager during a GAPAN visit to BZN.

Now, let's see if the mods delete that !

Thud105 16th Feb 2017 11:12

"One point which must be made to the ignorant 'hang him high' people posting here, is that the Captain's integrity is most certainly NOT in any doubt."

Errr, surely if that was the case there wouldn't be a CM?

Whilst one is well aware that this chap is an officer in Her Majesty's Royal Brittannic Air Force, and consequently by definition a thoroughly Good Egg who treats his women, servants and dogs well, someone somewhere has decided that perhaps his integrity might require questioning at this juncture.

Top Bunk Tester 16th Feb 2017 12:32

Careful Thud105, it's posts like that that get your posts deleted, regardless of how true it is :(

TorqueOfTheDevil 16th Feb 2017 12:32


My impression is Beags actually knows the chap concerned and perhaps has a conflict of loyalty.
...and/or is struggling to accept that the shiny new aircraft was in no way to blame despite all the new-fangled gimmicks like 'side-sticks', 'autopilots' and 'computers';)

Heathrow Harry 16th Feb 2017 12:55

and a closed cockpit................

Mil-26Man 16th Feb 2017 13:38

It didn't have a closed cockpit.

Tocsin 16th Feb 2017 14:00


Originally Posted by Mil-26Man (Post 9678089)
It didn't have a closed cockpit.

I think that's closed as in 'has a roof on it' :)

Mil-26Man 16th Feb 2017 14:08

Ah I get it, because he's old.

Lyneham Lad 16th Feb 2017 15:10

This thread seems to be (like the Voyager) plummeting. About time to hold straight and level on-topic.

Pontius Navigator 16th Feb 2017 17:31

Is there any more on the CM?

Dominator2 16th Feb 2017 17:33

Thud105, I absolutly agree, of course the man’s integrity is in question. Not too sure what planet BEagle is on but seems to have a private agenda OR all that we have read so far is untrue and he has the true version


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