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NutLoose 9th Sep 2013 18:08

So basically they're now saying you been a naughty petulant child therefore we are going to take your toys off you and you had better behave from now on...
But please feel free to carry on shooting and blowing seven shades of sh*te out of each other..


Wouldn't fancy being the poor saps that have to fly into Syria to collect his toys, and then how are you going to verify you have got them all?.

It does seem to be a good get out clause, providing the USA plays ball.


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SASless 9th Sep 2013 19:21

Well now....will we see if this is about "Obama's Face" or Disarming Syria?

My bet Obama keeps pushing for War as he has no way to go that does not leave him looking like a complete Dork unless he can puff out that pigeon breast of his, stick his jaw in the air like Mussolini did, and be the MAN!

I wager missiles fly......not cargo aircraft hauling surplus ChemWeaps.

Ronald Reagan 9th Sep 2013 19:35

Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from govt controlled lands - RT sources - YouTube

Syria welcomes Russia's call to handover chemical weapons - YouTube

dead_pan 9th Sep 2013 19:42


I wager missiles fly
No way. He'll claim prior art on Kerry's proposal to disarm Assad (even though he apparently never meant it to be taken seriously when he said it), and claim victory. By some miracle your Administration appear to have bumbled their way into a solution to this mess.

dead_pan 9th Sep 2013 19:45


So basically they're now saying you been a naughty petulant child therefore we are going to take your toys off you and you had better behave from now on...
But please feel free to carry on shooting and blowing seven shades of sh*te out of each other..
Yep, carry on as before but play nice.

I wonder what other "technical assistance" the Russians and Iranians have offered to help him finally get the job done (Russia: boots on the ground?)

Ronald Reagan 9th Sep 2013 19:53

Syria: Assad not Responsible for Ghouta Gas Attack, Says Freed Hostage Pierre Piccinin - IBTimes UK

NutLoose 9th Sep 2013 20:03

Well if he hands over his Chemical weapons surely that means they can match the ones used with the stockpiles, though that does not mean they were not captured.
But as they have details of the main Components the UK flogged him, I take it they can approximate the quantities that could have been manufactured and hence how much he should have?

Broadsword*** 9th Sep 2013 20:46


I believe we see the start of a Russian initiative to work out a deal with the Syrians to prevent Obama from ordering an attack.

If the Syrians will play ball with Russia....then Putin shall be the Winner and Obama the distinct loser. Obama should never have dissed Putin personally as he did....as Putin has every motivation to cut Obama off at the knees anyway he can.

Putin shall be seen as a Peace Maker and Obama will be painted as being the War Monger.....and rightfully so as anything that stops an American Attack is the right thing to do.

Obama is way out of his depth...and has been since being elected the first time.
Or perhaps, all along, Obama has been playing a very clever bluff to get Assad to give up his CW. Even if Assad were to hand over most of them and keep a secret stash, he would never be able to use them again, without bringing the Russians down on top of him.

As for Putin, he will never been seen as anything other than an opportunistic despot.

Airborne Aircrew 9th Sep 2013 21:04


As for Putin, he will never been seen as anything other than an opportunistic despot.
But he is an opportunistic despot who has managed to increase Russia's influence n the Middle East to a level unseen since the 1970's... Right now, Putin's performance eval is a lot better than O'Bummer's.

TomJoad 9th Sep 2013 21:15

The next day or two will be defining here. We shouldn't care unduly as to how Putin will be viewed after all of this, he is becoming yesterday's man. More important is how the USA will be viewed, at home and abroad. What is surprising in all of this, is that a potential solution, peaceful one at that, may have been delivered unwittingly by John Kerry's tongue in cheek proposal. Strange indeed but let's hope they run with it.

Broadsword*** 9th Sep 2013 21:18


But he is an opportunistic despot who has managed to increase Russia's influence n the Middle East to a level unseen since the 1970's... Right now, Putin's performance eval is a lot better than O'Bummer's.
Not exactly a difficult trick to pull off when you don't have a functioning political opposition to worry about, because you've rigged your elections, rigged the press and had your opponents banged up.

NutLoose 9th Sep 2013 21:22

I must admit I still cannot fathom out how he managed to go from an elected Prime Minister to President, a post that hadn't existed when his final mandated second term was up, thus rendering the original post he was elected to subservient to his position.




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Airborne Aircrew 9th Sep 2013 21:22


Not exactly a difficult trick to pull off when you don't have a functioning political opposition to worry about, because you've rigged your elections, rigged the press and had your opponents banged up.
Yeah, I hear Putin has done the same... :}

dead_pan 9th Sep 2013 21:22


managed to increase Russia's influence n the Middle East to a level unseen since the 1970's
Mercifully we're only talking about a handful of countries. The likes of Yemen, Libya and Iraq have fallen out of their sway for good. Still, greater Iran is a biggie.

Ronald Reagan 9th Sep 2013 21:24

TomJoad, Putin yesterdays man? I would imagine a decade from now he will still be President of Russia and a very much more powerful Russian than it is today. By then Cameron, Hollander and Obama will be nothing but a distant memory.
Putin is a very clever and very gifted leader.

NutLoose 9th Sep 2013 21:25

He must qualify for the ex services thread too, being an ex Lt Col in the KGB.

dead_pan 9th Sep 2013 21:26

Yup, Putin will be as durable as syphilis, but much less fun.

500N 9th Sep 2013 21:27

broadsword

"Or perhaps, all along, Obama has been playing a very clever bluff to get Assad to give up his CW."


I think you better call Danny boy to explain to you how a bit far fetched
your statement is.

You give far too much credit to Obama.

And as for Putin, he has played Obama like a well played fiddle and Obama
has been dancing to try to keep up, at the same time as making himself
and the US look foolish.

TomJoad 9th Sep 2013 21:29

Putin is not a clever man, more a opportunist thug and bully. His days are drawing to a close; trouble is brewing at home.:=

SASless 9th Sep 2013 21:30

AA steals my thunder yet again!:ok:


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