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Airborne Aircrew 6th Sep 2013 02:27


Strange. I must have dreamt all those news reports of Boehner (the most senior Republican politician in America) and Cantor (the 3rd most senior Republican politician in America) stating they supported Obama's call for military action against Syria.
Erm... They don't vote for the entire house... They are two votes in 435... That's a lovely democracy you're imagining...

And just so you know... If the twits in DC decide to lob a few missiles in Syria's direction it does not make it right, smart or brave. I'm sure you'll feel all warm and fuzzy though... People like you do... It's an emotional thing...

tartare 6th Sep 2013 03:46

Hmmm - seems there are a few revisions of the plan going on.

Party Animal 6th Sep 2013 07:45

Broadsword / Airborne,

Gentlemen please....:=

Pontius Navigator 6th Sep 2013 07:47

Rather glad there are active revisions of the Plans. Look what happened when all we had was Plan A followed, when Plan A failed, more of Plan A.

tartare 6th Sep 2013 08:39

Fair enough.
I imagine the NRO et al are working around the clock at the moment trying to keep track of all those moving targets...

dead_pan 6th Sep 2013 08:58


There are fewer reports which indicate that rebel forces may have used these weapons on purpose.
Apparently the Russians have released a document to this effect. Unfortunately the western media have chosen not to cover it, possibly because its totally unbelievable even to the most ardent supporter of non-intervention.

tartare 6th Sep 2013 09:05

What a bunch of Berkley Hunts...

Broadsword*** 6th Sep 2013 09:10


Hmmm - seems there are a few revisions of the plan going on.
Hardly surprising, given some of the proposed targets are probably mobile. That is not to say the plan, if and when it eventually comes to fruition, will not hurt Assad. Op DESERT FOX had been anticipated for months, but still largely achieved its aim of degrading, not eliminating, Saddam's military capability.

Eclectic 6th Sep 2013 09:24

Don't Block IV TLAMs have a TV camera that allows them to go after moving targets. And can't they use real time targeting data from intelligence assets such as U2s and drones. And haven't most TLAMs been upgraded to block IV?

Broadsword*** 6th Sep 2013 09:28

Meanwhile, more objective and intelligent analysis from Faux News:

Fox News host holds up 'bloody hand' in live TV protest against war in Syria - Americas - World - The Independent

Pontius Navigator 6th Sep 2013 12:11

I would imagine some of the plan revisions will be in respect of basing rights, or lack of them, RoE, force levels as well as target sets - Air Defence, offensive, logistics, infrastructure and so on.

In one exercise as we neared a political show-of-force demonstration we had expected the MNC to select a target and make an appropriate noise.

He didn't.

He selected a large target set, far in excess of what we expected, as he wanted to have a firm military effect as well as a simple political one.

I imagine there will be a similar dichotomy between your political and military leaders.

Pontius Navigator 6th Sep 2013 12:14

I see there is some debate about supporting the rebels. There is only a hard core - 15% - of baddies and the rest are goodies they say. Or whatever statistic they pluck out of the air.

So, let's see. There are two sides in conflict - Assad and the rebels.

Assad is knocked out of the game and there are two sides in the conflict - goodies and baddies.

The baddies are knocked out of the game and there are two sides in the conflict - goodies and not so goodies.

Now, where have we seen that before?

Ronald Reagan 6th Sep 2013 12:42

Interesting video of a Syrian woman begging McCain to not support military action:-
Emotional Woman Attacks John McCain on Syria at Town Hall - 9-5-2013 - YouTube
Also this on RT:-
'Visit to Syria Christian village could be one-way ticket as rebels rage' - YouTube

Eclectic 6th Sep 2013 13:22

Russia sending a "special cargo" to Syria: ??? "??????? ??????????" ???????????? ? ????? | ??? ???????

Is this S-300? If so Israel will go apoplectic and will strike.
Is this Tor? Far more likely. Won't annoy Israel and is specifically designed to take out Tomahawks.

Obama should have attacked last weekend.

Lonewolf_50 6th Sep 2013 13:46


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 8032944)
Lone Wolf, what I suspected and we are of like minds then. Except you need one helluva lot of boots that western powers don't have and the civil populace doesn't want and the host country hates.

Yep. In a nutshell. :ok:

Pontius Navigator 6th Sep 2013 14:14

Well our politicos, yours and mine, seem very keen to get in there and kick ass.

Well rather get us in there and kick ass while they give us their full support.

NutLoose 6th Sep 2013 14:16

Ne're daring deeds,
Nor battles fought,
Teach those to come,
It's all worth naught.

NL

Airborne Aircrew 6th Sep 2013 14:22

One wonders why we haven't heard a peep from this "lady"...

http://www.pprune.org/data:image/jpe...AtqAQhC1kmif/Z
http://www.pprune.org/data:image/jpe...0U4pm4ukf/2Q==
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...ftiwg_scqgT9vN
http://www.politifake.org/image/poli...1300975165.jpg

Pontius Navigator 6th Sep 2013 14:23


Originally Posted by Eclectic (Post 8034114)
Is this S-300? If so Israel will go apoplectic and will strike.
Is this Tor? Far more likely. Won't annoy Israel and is specifically designed to take out Tomahawks.

The Slava will annoy someone else too.

SASless 6th Sep 2013 14:47

PN,

The Politicians are all for us being sent to kick Ass....right up and until it starts going badly....then they very quickly forget they voted to send us there to begin with and immediately throw all the responsibility on us.

John (who served in Vietnam as you may recall) Kerry is a prime example of that.

John Kerry confirms to MSNBC he opposed Iraq War he voted to authorize | Twitchy


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