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jolihokistix 9th Oct 2019 09:11

15,000 IS fighters to be released from prison camps there as their Kurdish fighter guards rush off to the battle lines...?

racedo 9th Oct 2019 09:26


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10590124)
https://twitter.com/ignatiuspost/sta...233904128?s=21

.........I'm also told that Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians. Russian-backed forces are mobilizing to invade the Kurdish area from the south — towards Tabqa and other spots. Meanwhile, ISIS is mobilizing sleeper cells in Raqqa and attacks have taken place tonight.

You mean Syrian army are taking back their own country.

racedo 9th Oct 2019 09:30


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 10590160)
15,000 IS fighters to be released from prison camps there as their Kurdish fighter guards rush off to the battle lines...?

where are they going to go ?

Saudi's and Qatari's are out, to the east is Iraq who have scores to settle, to the is SAA who will not be taking any prisoners or there are the Kurds or Turks.

Armed invaders supported by the West and GCC, few will return home and nobody will care.

Mil-26Man 9th Oct 2019 09:35


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10590173)
where are they going to go ?

Saudi's and Qatari's are out, to the east is Iraq who have scores to settle, to the is SAA who will not be taking any prisoners or there are the Kurds or Turks.

Armed invaders supported by the West and GCC, few will return home and nobody will care.

Oh do knock it off, racedo. ISIS was/is not supported by the West, by the GCC, by Israel or by anyone else you care to mention (though I note you don't ever mention Russia, curious that).

ORAC 10th Oct 2019 06:32

Guantanamo?

Politico:

“two British militants believed to be part of an Islamic State group that beheaded hostages and was known as ‘The Beatles’ have been moved out of a detention center in Syria and are in American custody,” AP reported.

Trump confirmed that via Twitter, writing: “In case the Kurds or Turkey lose control, the United States has already taken the 2 ISIS militants tied to beheadings in Syria, known as the Beetles [sic], out of that country and into a secure location controlled by the U.S. They are the worst of the worst!”

NutLoose 11th Oct 2019 13:30

Says it all really

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...eer/ar-AAIzvzr

tdracer 12th Oct 2019 02:32


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10592039)

NutLoose, you should know that, outside of the extreme left, MSN has almost zero credibility. They hate Trump with a passion and have cried wolf so many times about so many things that nobody pays much attention to them anymore (and their ratings show that).

Asturias56 12th Oct 2019 17:37

tdracer

I think you're definition of "extreme left" is possibly not quite the same as most poster here................

West Coast 12th Oct 2019 22:09


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10592847)
tdracer

I think you're definition of "extreme left" is possibly not quite the same as most poster here................

You've researched then?

golder 13th Oct 2019 03:06

I find it odd that people watch fox news opinion shows, as their evenings entertainment.
I'd like Trump to get a second term. I don't think all Americans have learnt their lesson yet.

Lonewolf_50 13th Oct 2019 18:19


Originally Posted by golder (Post 10593072)
I find it odd that people watch fox news opinion shows, as their evenings entertainment.
I'd like Trump to get a second term. I don't think all Americans have learnt their lesson yet.

Under the theory that in a representative democracy/republic, wherein there is popular suffrage, the people get the government that they deserve ... well, that would be fitting.
Your last sentence got a wry grin out of me.

NutLoose 14th Oct 2019 07:13

So the Kurds have joined forces with the Syrian army to repel the Turks.
So you now have Russia supporting one side while actively seeking to support the other, how does that work?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50036901

jolihokistix 14th Oct 2019 08:36

Nice proxy war for them? The Russians get to try out their weaponry against Turkish equipment?
Surely though the Syrian army will hold back and watch the Kurds getting cut down to size for a while as the Turks using precision weapons take out their ammunition and weapons dumps.

etudiant 14th Oct 2019 11:44


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10593863)
So the Kurds have joined forces with the Syrian army to repel the Turks.
So you now have Russia supporting one side while actively seeking to support the other, how does that work?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50036901

Seems a decent way to reintegrate the Kurds into the Syrian polity, unite against a common enemy..
Unlike Turkey, Syria has not tried to crush their Kurdish minority, so given no other choice, the Kurds will opt for Syria.
If there was any US national interest in Syria, it is not easily discernible, so Trump should be applauded for cutting the loss.

Just a spotter 14th Oct 2019 20:22

How do you extracate your nukes from an ally who's no longer quite on your side?


An estimated 50 nuclear bombs stored at a US airbase in Turkey have become potential bargaining chips in the tense relationship between Washington and Ankara in the wake of the Turkish offensive into Syria.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...syria-invasion

JAS

etudiant 14th Oct 2019 20:28


Originally Posted by Just a spotter (Post 10594383)
How do you extracate your nukes from an ally who's no longer quite on your side?



https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...syria-invasion

JAS

Is there any evidence these bombs are still in their bunkers?
I'd think no sensible leader would have left them there after kicking Turkey out of the F-35 program.​​​​​​​

ORAC 15th Oct 2019 05:04

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Si...n-Syria-604593

SIX YEARS OF WORK DESTROYED IN SIX DAYS: THE COLLAPSE OF EASTERN SYRIA


jolihokistix 15th Oct 2019 09:43

Jpost would not give me time to read the article before they asked me twice to subscribe. I am backing out. It seems to be a rehash of recent events anyway, surely not worthy of such large capital letters, ORAC!

Easy Street 15th Oct 2019 13:01

What was the *realistic* end state that anyone had in mind for the Syrian Kurds? Those hoping for a new state to be carved out of NE Syria were always going to be disappointed given that such an outcome would have been directly against the interests of the three neighbouring states, plus the Iranians, plus all other states worried about secessionist movements. A small landlocked state surrounded by unfriendly neighbours would have needed perpetual outside assistance to remain independent: not an attractive proposition to the US or anyone else. And that’s assuming the Russians and Chinese agreed to new borders being drawn as a result of US assistance: highly unlikely, to put it mildly.

The very most the Kurds should have been aiming for was an autonomous region with Syrian regime border protection. By waiting until a crisis to make their approach to Assad, they’ve lost practically all the leverage they should have had in negotiating a settlement. So if the Americans are to be criticised, IMHO it’s for giving the Kurds the impression that any other end state was ever on the table.

The Kurds were certainly screwed over in the creation of the modern Middle East, but the ‘winners’ of that imperial line-drawing affair have little reason to give up the century-old status quo, least of all to assuage Western remorse.

ORAC 15th Oct 2019 17:14

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rces-on-border

Russian troops patrol between Turkish and Syrian forces on border

Russian units have begun patrolling territory separating Turkish-backed Syrian rebels from the Syrian army around the flashpoint town of Manbij in north-east Syria, in a clear sign that Moscow has become the de facto power broker in the region after the evacuation of US troops.

Oleg Blokhin, a Russian journalist usually attached to mercenaries in Syria, posted a video on social media on Tuesday from a deserted US military base in the village of al-Saadiya, near Manbij. “They [the US] were here yesterday, we are here today,” he said. “Now we’ll see how they were living and what they were doing.”






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