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ORAC 28th Jun 2018 06:17

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...lame-7k3thhjhz

Chemical weapons watchdog wins powers to assign blame

The world’s chemical weapons watchdog was empowered to name and shame those responsible for chemical attacks in Syria after Britain won a victory over Russia yesterday.

Russian efforts to protect the Syrian regime from censure for using chemical weapons collapsed after a western alliance led by Britain voted overwhelmingly to give the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) enhanced powers to identify those behind the attacks in Syria. The vote, which passed by 82 to 24, came at the end of two days of wrangling at a special session of the OPCW in the Hague yesterday, the culmination of an intense diplomatic offensive by Britain to bolster the global ban on use of chemical weapons. Previously, the OPCW could say whether chemical weapons had been used, but not who was responsible.

Russia, with the help of allies including Syria, Iran and Venezuela, tried to prevent the resolution from reaching the floor, and accused Britain of seeking to politicise the OPCW. Britain called the session after Russia repeatedly blocked attempts to reform the watchdog’s mandate in the 41-member executive council. A record 143 countries out of 193 sent representatives and 30 co-sponsored the British resolution.

Britain was moved to act after the poisoning with a nerve agent of Sergei Skripal, the Russian former spy, and his daughter in Salisbury in March, an attack blamed on the Kremlin.

Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, hailed the “overwhelming” vote. “After the recent spate in the use of chemical weapons at Salisbury, Syria and elsewhere, it’s great that so many of our friends and partners have supported the UK,” he said. “The result of this vote is that the OPCW now has a crucial extra power . . . to point the finger at the organisation, the state, that they think is responsible, and that is crucial if we are going to deter the use of these vile weapons.”

Russia said the vote threw the body’s future into doubt. “A lot of the countries that voted against the measure are starting to think about how the organisation will exist and function in the future,” Georgy Kalamonov, Russia’s industry minister, said, adding that it faced “an artificially-created crisis”.


A_Van 28th Jun 2018 13:39

Actually these were efforts to encourage terrorist groups (like An Nusra and its derivatives) and their friends such as "white helmets" to keep prepare and implement provocations with chemicals and then blame the other side.
But before doing that, it would make sense to at least better train all those clowns. Though I am not sure they will qualify to enter the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art :-)

Recall what a poor show they staged the previous time? They brought some kids into a hospital near Damascus shouting that there was a chem. attack, while indeed they simply took all the kids out of cellars giving them chocolates to partricipate in the show. Later some kids with their parents and doctors who were on duty on that day were brought to the Hague and spoke at a OPCW press conference confirming that there was no gas there, they were not poisoned but just scared by armed thugs. All people were real, no masks, faces matched the staged video. No surprise that NATO countries ignored that press-conference.

Now they prepare some new show in the Idlib province.

ORAC 19th Jul 2018 07:06

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ghts-0rxlb9s2c

Assad forces trap civilians against Golan Heights

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...eb585544b2.jpg

Hundreds of thousands of displaced people, interspersed with rebel groups fighting a rearguard action against advancing Assad regime forces, were crammed against the fence along Syria’s border with the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights yesterday. Rebel forces firing artillery less than 50 yards from the fence were seen in photographs taken from the Israeli side, as regime forces advanced to within a few miles.

Israel, which has dropped the rebel groups it once supported, is warning that it will not offer refuge. It is also warning the Assad regime not to bring its forces up to the fence, which is protected by a military exclusion zone under the 1974 UN-negotiated ceasefire which established the border. It is unclear whether the regime will respect that, given the presence of rebel militias, a circumstance not foreseen by the ceasefire treaty.....

Israel’s prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, thought that he had won promises from President Putin of Russia that pro-Iranian forces would be kept away from the latest fighting. But Israeli military officials have confirmed rebel claims that pro-Iranian militias have nonetheless been operating within 20 miles of the border. They were spotted in the town of Da’el, 18 miles from the border.......

The White House decreed that it would not support the rebels if they resisted, and Israel, which had funnelled some money, aid and arms over the border to bolster the rebels against Iranian-backed forces, followed suit. Mr Netanyahu, in two visits to Moscow, asked Mr Putin for guarantees over the Iranian role in return. He is determined to prevent Iran building up a “new front” for anti-Israel activity in Syria, as it has done in areas of Lebanon controlled by Hezbollah.........

The International Rescue Committee said that 160,000 civilians had fled the fighting and were trapped between the border fence and the front lines. It said that many were living out in the open. “They can hear the fighting getting closer and worry it’s only a matter of time before the front line reaches them,” Mark Schnellbaecher, IRC’s Middle East vice-president, said.

Two hundred of the displaced marched up to the border, demanding to be let in, after an air strike on a school in the village of Ain al-Tineh, six miles from the fence, killed ten civilians. Ammar al-Zayed, 27, an activist currently near the border, said: “There’s only a little drinking water, there are no toilets, not enough tents, and no proper health care for children who are suffering diarrhoea and fatigue because of the high temperatures. Many people went to the Israeli border asking to be let in but nobody was allowed to come close at all.”

Israel has admitted thousands of Syrian civilians and rebel fighters for medical treatment, but has said it will not give them asylum...........











ORAC 19th Jul 2018 19:40

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...-war-77mjs6kck

Rebels in southwest Syria have surrendered to the Assad regime, signalling the close of another chapter in the seven-year war. A spokesman for the Free Syrian Army confirmed today that a “reconciliation process” was under way in the west of Deraa province and in Quneitra, on the border with the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. Those fighters who do not want to lay down their weapons will be ferried by bus to the last non-Isis rebel stronghold, in Idlib, northern Syria. Others will “reconcile” with the regime, which in practice means joining the regime army.....

The outcome was regarded as inevitable once the United States informed the rebels in the area that they would be on their own if they chose to resist the regime advance. Hundreds of civilians and fighters were killed in a blitz by regime and Russian jets before the army began moving across the area. Hundreds of thousands of civilians fled towards the Jordanian and Israeli borders........

Israel said today it had continued to pour in humanitarian supplies to the tens of thousands of displaced civilians who have gathered near its border but has refused to give refuge to either fighters or civilians fleeing the fighting. Jordan has done the same.

The Assad regime, in a statement on state media, appeared to meet a key Israeli demand by saying troops would return to their positions as before 2011. The Israelis had threatened to attack regime forces if they occupied a demilitarised zone that stretches alongside the border fence. Russian military police are also said to be in the area.........


ORAC 24th Jul 2018 06:29

David’s Sling fired in combat for first time

Israel’s David’s Sling anti-ballistic missile system made its combat debut on Jul. 23 when two interceptors were fired when a pair of Syrian OTR-21 (NATO: SS-21) ballistic missiles were detected approaching Israel’s border. One of the interceptor was ordered to self-destruct after it was determined that both SS-21s were to land inside Syrian territory. It is not known what happened to the other interceptor.

http://alert5.com/2018/07/24/davids-...or-first-time/


A_Van 24th Jul 2018 08:46


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10204461)
David’s Sling fired in combat for first time

Israel’s David’s Sling anti-ballistic missile system made its combat debut on Jul. 23 when two interceptors were fired when a pair of Syrian OTR-21 (NATO: SS-21) ballistic missiles were detected approaching Israel’s border. One of the interceptor was ordered to self-destruct after it was determined that both SS-21s were to land inside Syrian territory. It is not known what happened to the other interceptor.

Alert 5 » David?s Sling fired in combat for first time - Military Aviation News


Hmm, just checked what Israeli news have posted this morning and see that there is some noise of dissatisfaction claiming that the "David’s Sling" did not perform well and not intercepted the Syrian missiles. Fortunately, the latter (which are pretty much obsolete and dated back to 1975-1980) also failed and hit the Earth yet on the Syrain territory (though one landed just 1 km close to the border).

ORAC 24th Jul 2018 09:06


some noise of dissatisfaction claiming that the "David’s Sling" did not perform well and not intercepted the Syrian missiles
"One of the interceptor was ordered to self-destruct after it was determined that both SS-21s were to land inside Syrian territory. It is not known what happened to the other interceptor."

A_Van 24th Jul 2018 09:32


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10204567)
"One of the interceptor was ordered to self-destruct after it was determined that both SS-21s were to land inside Syrian territory. It is not known what happened to the other interceptor."

Yes, I read your previous post. Obviously we read different sources. And I think that native Israeli news is more reliable than distant US/UK sources.

Here is the one I was referring too, FYI
http://www.newsru.co.il/israel/24jul2018/prasha_103.html


Sorry it's in Russian, but any online translator will at least provide the contents. E.g. here is an excerpt:

"The website of the Haaretz newspaper wrote that the Syrian rockets haven't been brought down. Operators "Prachtchi David" had to destroy interceptor missiles after they haven't hit the mark, it was told in this publication.

Yoav Zeytun writes on the website Ynet that preliminary investigation confirms correctness of the decision on start of antimissiles, each of which costs 1 million dollars as there was a real threat: one of the Syrian missiles launched approximately for 100 km to an estimated point of interception has fallen all in kilometer from the Israeli border. The author of the publication considers that the Syrian rockets haven't been intercepted because of a technological, but not human factor. The Ministry of Defence and Raphael concern investigate this incident."

ORAC 24th Jul 2018 15:27

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44940599

Israel 'shoots down' Syrian fighter near Golan Heights

Israel says it has shot down a Syrian warplane which entered its airspace - a rare incident between the two foes.

Two surface-to-air missiles were fired at the Sukhoi fighter jet, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) tweeted. According to Israeli reports, it happened over the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. The pilot's fate is not clear.

Syrian news agency Sana said Israel had targeted the jet over Syrian airspace, but did not say whether it was hit. Sana quoted an unnamed military source as saying the plane was conducting raids against "armed terrorist groups" near the southern Yarmouk Valley......

Israel's Haaretz news website said residents in northern Israel saw interceptor missiles fired and heard explosions. Flames and smoke were also later seen rising from the area of the fence between Syria and the Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan Heights, AFP news agency reports......






ORAC 5th Aug 2018 06:16

China offers troops to Syria. Nit sure their reasons are just as he surmises - just like Russia it will be an opportunity to put theirnlatest up against current western technology and gather intelligence and assessments.

https://www.snafu-solomon.com/2018/0...-syria-in.html

Heathrow Harry 5th Aug 2018 08:00

That's a long way from offering troops........... could be kit, could be "advisors," could be medics, could be intelligence.......

"Two Chinese diplomats have raised the possibility of Chinese military operations in Syria alongside the Assad regime.
Speaking to Syrian pro-government daily Al-Watan on Thursday, China’s Ambassador to Damascus, Qi Qianjin, said that the Chinese military is willing to participate “in some way” alongside the Syrian Army in Idlib as well as other parts of Syria.

Additionally, Chinese military attaché Wong Roy Chang, in a similar statement also delivered to Al-Watan, reportedly stated that there is “ongoing” military cooperation between the two countries.

“We, China, wish to develop our relations with the Syrian Army. As for participating in the Idlib operation, it requires a political decision,” Chang said. "

ORAC 5th Aug 2018 08:45

I remember what happened to the Chinese embassy in Belgrade when they didn’t take the hint about providing intelligence on US operations to the Sebian government.

I believe the US government apologised for the JDAM that went astray - all 5 of them.......

ORAC 1st Oct 2018 16:25

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...g-up-k6pc2gszm

Cold war on Iraq’s frontier with Syria is hotting up


The last checkpoint before the border was different: the scale, the delay but most of all the flags. During our long drive across the Iraqi desert in a convoy of United Nations jeeps and army pick-up trucks we had been swiftly waved through. Not here. Instead, we were stopped by militiamen whose black, green and white banners gave the post away as belonging to the “Popular Mobilisation Units”, militias controlled by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard. It took a call from the mayor of the border town, al-Qaim, to let us through.

The abrupt change of control over the road was not random. This border is the most sensitive 12-mile patch of territory in the world. On the Syrian side, a few miles away across the sand, lies a giant base controlled by Iran, unreachable to outsiders but spotted by satellites, thought to contain thousands of Afghan, Iraqi and other Shia fighters. It was bombed by unknown forces in June.

A hundred miles further into Syria is a large, remote and previously unwanted patch of desert now inhabited by 1,000 US, French and Norwegian special forces, alongside perhaps 2,000 allied Syrian Arab Sunni tribal fighters. This territory, previously largely uninhabited, is now a fixed western presence, described satirically by British and US officials as “the spherical emirate of al-Tanf” after the expanding military base at its core.

This border, straddled by the Iraqi town of al-Qaim and its Syrian twin, al-Bukamal, is a patchwork of Iraqi army, western, and militia control, and in the wreckage of Iraq and Syria has become the epicentre of the conflict between the US and Iran.

It is a cold war, but it is hotting up. President Trump originally called time on al-Tanf, which came into existence as part of US support for rebels in the Syrian civil war, saying in his election campaign he no longer wanted to waste resources trying to overthrow President Assad. Now he has done a volte-face, under pressure from his foreign policy advisers, particularly Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, and John Bolton, the national security adviser, to try to scupper Iran’s advance across the region. Both are long-term Iran hawks.

“Trump was opposed to staying put in Syria but it seems the ‘steady state’ has got its way at the moment,” a diplomat in the region said, referring to foreign policy greybeards around Mr Trump. “There doesn't seem any likelihood the troops are pulling out soon.”

The US establishment has become fixated on what they are calling the Iranian road to the Mediterranean and the Israeli border, expanding Tehran’s hold over the so-called Shia crescent. Iran’s support for President Assad has allowed it to set up bases across Syria manned by members of the Revolutionary Guard, officially, as “advisers”, and Shia militias recruited in Syria and across the region.Among them are the Lebanese Hezbollah, several Iraqi brigades and fighters from Afghanistan and Pakistan’s Shia minorities. The Iranians already have Hezbollah in Lebanon, which leaves the only gap in the crescent as being the Iraqi territory between the Syrian and Iranian borders, which is why the road west from Baghdad has become so significant.

At Mr Trump’s new command, the US is fighting back. A US envoy, Brett McGurk, is fighting an open battle with Iran’s Revolutionary Guard al-Quds’ brigade head, General Qassem Soleimani, to shape the incoming Iraqi government.

It is a battle where neither side can win outright but Iran is gaining the upper hand. Hadi al-Ameri, who heads the biggest Iran-backed PMU militia, the Badr Corps, also leads the Fateh, or Liberation, party which came second in May’s elections and looks likely to be a key member of any ruling coalition. On the ground, the Badr Corps is establishing bases with its PMU allies from the Iranian border across Iraq. The 12-mile stretch of frontier they have secured west of al-Qaim is the key choke point, and the centre of Iranian-US rivalry. It is a volatile mix.

“The Iraqi army, which is close to the Americans, control the actual border crossing at al-Qaim,” said Hishem al-Hashimi, a prominent Iraqi security analyst. “On the other side in Syria there are 8,000 Shia militiamen.”

He has also been taken by American forces to visit al-Tanf, a rare outsider’s vew. “From there the road [into Syria] is monitored by the Americans, French and Norwegians,” he said. His experience of al-Tanf brought home its unique qualities. “A genie couldn’t live there,” he said. “But it’s an open landscape and they have vision over 45 miles. It’s a very good choice for them.” Al-Tanf’s original Free Syrian Army forces now number less than 400, compared with the 1,000 western troops and up to 2,000 tribal fighters, Mr Hashimi said.

The battle against Islamic State is now in its last stages. Mr Trump said in March troops would afterwards be withdrawn, but now his new envoy to the Syrian opposition says they will be staying, both as a brake on Iran and as a tool to undermine Assad himself. “We will make it our business to make life as miserable as possible for that flopping cadaver of a regime and let the Russians and Iranians, who made this mess, get out of it,” James Jeffrey, the envoy, said. This month Mr Bolton said US forces would stay so long as Iranian forces remained outside Iran.

The Iranian-backed forces are not backing down, however. General Soleimani has issued a direct warning to the US not to take on Iran, and American officials fear militias like the Badr Corps are preparing attacks on US forces. That threatens a return to the chaos following the 2003 invasion, when Iran-backed militias ravaged American and British troops, killing hundreds of them. “We are near you, where you can’t even imagine,” General Soleimani said this summer. “If you begin the war, we will end the war. You know that this war will destroy all that you possess.”..........

Lonewolf_50 1st Oct 2018 17:44


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10263245)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...g-up-k6pc2gszm
Cold war on Iraq’s frontier with Syria is hotting up
The last checkpoint before the border was different: the scale, the delay but most of all the flags. During our long drive across the Iraqi desert in a convoy of United Nations jeeps and army pick-up trucks we had been swiftly waved through. Not here. Instead, we were stopped by militiamen whose black, green and white banners gave the post away as belonging to the “Popular Mobilisation Units”, militias controlled by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard. It took a call from the mayor of the border town, al-Qaim, to let us through.

The abrupt change of control over the road was not random. This border is the most sensitive 12-mile patch of territory in the world. On the Syrian side, a few miles away across the sand, lies a giant base controlled by Iran, unreachable to outsiders but spotted by satellites, thought to contain thousands of Afghan, Iraqi and other Shia fighters. It was bombed by unknown forces in June.

A hundred miles further into Syria is a large, remote and previously unwanted patch of desert now inhabited by 1,000 US, French and Norwegian special forces, alongside perhaps 2,000 allied Syrian Arab Sunni tribal fighters. This territory, previously largely uninhabited, is now a fixed western presence, described satirically by British and US officials as “the spherical emirate of al-Tanf” after the expanding military base at its core.

This border, straddled by the Iraqi town of al-Qaim and its Syrian twin, al-Bukamal, is a patchwork of Iraqi army, western, and militia control, and in the wreckage of Iraq and Syria has become the epicentre of the conflict between the US and Iran.
It is a cold war, but it is hotting up. President Trump originally called time on al-Tanf, which came into existence as part of US support for rebels in the Syrian civil war, saying in his election campaign he no longer wanted to waste resources trying to overthrow President Assad. Now he has done a volte-face, under pressure from his foreign policy advisers, particularly Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, and John Bolton, the national security adviser, to try to scupper Iran’s advance across the region. Both are long-term Iran hawks.
“Trump was opposed to staying put in Syria but it seems the ‘steady state’ has got its way at the moment,” a diplomat in the region said, referring to foreign policy greybeards around Mr Trump. “There doesn't seem any likelihood the troops are pulling out soon.”
The US establishment has become fixated on what they are calling the Iranian road to the Mediterranean and the Israeli border, expanding Tehran’s hold over the so-called Shia crescent. Iran’s support for President Assad has allowed it to set up bases across Syria manned by members of the Revolutionary Guard, officially, as “advisers”, and Shia militias recruited in Syria and across the region. Among them are the Lebanese Hezbollah, several Iraqi brigades and fighters from Afghanistan and Pakistan’s Shia minorities. The Iranians already have Hezbollah in Lebanon, which leaves the only gap in the crescent as being the Iraqi territory between the Syrian and Iranian borders, which is why the road west from Baghdad has become so significant.
At Mr Trump’s new command, the US is fighting back. A US envoy, Brett McGurk, is fighting an open battle with Iran’s Revolutionary Guard al-Quds’ brigade head, General Qassem Soleimani, to shape the incoming Iraqi government. It is a battle where neither side can win outright but Iran is gaining the upper hand. Hadi al-Ameri, who heads the biggest Iran-backed PMU militia, the Badr Corps, also leads the Fateh, or Liberation, party which came second in May’s elections and looks likely to be a key member of any ruling coalition. On the ground, the Badr Corps is establishing bases with its PMU allies from the Iranian border across Iraq. The 12-mile stretch of frontier they have secured west of al-Qaim is the key choke point, and the centre of Iranian-US rivalry. It is a volatile mix.
“The Iraqi army, which is close to the Americans, control the actual border crossing at al-Qaim,” said Hishem al-Hashimi, a prominent Iraqi security analyst. “On the other side in Syria there are 8,000 Shia militiamen.”
He has also been taken by American forces to visit al-Tanf, a rare outsider’s vew. “From there the road [into Syria] is monitored by the Americans, French and Norwegians,” he said. His experience of al-Tanf brought home its unique qualities. “A genie couldn’t live there,” he said. “But it’s an open landscape and they have vision over 45 miles. It’s a very good choice for them.” Al-Tanf’s original Free Syrian Army forces now number less than 400, compared with the 1,000 western troops and up to 2,000 tribal fighters, Mr Hashimi said.
The battle against Islamic State is now in its last stages. Mr Trump said in March troops would afterwards be withdrawn, but now his new envoy to the Syrian opposition says they will be staying, both as a brake on Iran and as a tool to undermine Assad himself.
“We will make it our business to make life as miserable as possible for that flopping cadaver of a regime and let the Russians and Iranians, who made this mess, get out of it,” James Jeffrey, the envoy, said. This month Mr Bolton said US forces would stay so long as Iranian forces remained outside Iran.
The Iranian-backed forces are not backing down, however. General Soleimani has issued a direct warning to the US not to take on Iran, and American officials fear militias like the Badr Corps are preparing attacks on US forces. That threatens a return to the chaos following the 2003 invasion, when Iran-backed militias ravaged American and British troops, killing hundreds of them.
“We are near you, where you can’t even imagine,” General Soleimani said this summer. “If you begin the war, we will end the war. You know that this war will destroy all that you possess.”..........

Two items that I bolded.
1. I am sad to see that people coming back/reducing the foot print seems a low ball bet.
2. Undermining Assad strikes me as a pointless exercise, but the brake on Iran is a piece of geopolitical position that is about 40 years old for US geopolitics. Nothing new under the sun.
ORAC, thanks for the link, it's an interesting look at a messy situation.

glad rag 1st Oct 2018 22:26

Cheers ORAC a bit of light reading there. :(

jolihokistix 31st Oct 2018 12:05

Meantime the US has moved 500 Kurdish fighters away to the eastern Syrian border to help put the squeeze on a very large and deadly pocket of IS resistance armed with anti-tank missiles and other heavy weaponry. (Iraq and France have been shelling IS at the same time from east of the Iraqi border.)

Turkey, who agreed to joint patrols with the US up in Manbij, seem to have simply driven in and taken over, and taking full advantage of Kurd troop movements out of the area they have commenced heavy shelling today of Kobane and other villages east of the Euphrates along the northern Syrian border, places fought for at heavy sacrifice by the Kurds not too long ago. The Kurds drove IS out, but mainly just wanted their homelands back. Turkey does not want any Kurds along their southern border and openly states that she will force the creation of a bufferzone in those very same sacred Kurdish lands. Erdogan is announcing the start of this campaign.

Has some backdoor deal been made where the Kurds have been thrown to the wolves, I wonder? Are the Kurds hoping that by helping the US eradicate IS in eastern Syria, the US will stand by them in their defense against the Turkish onslaught? Should the Kurds trust the US?

And have Turkey done a deal partly to help IS by attacking the remaining Kurds back in their newly-won homelands?

Most of this information can be found digging around in the back pages of al Arabiya, etc., but little of it seems to have hit the mainstream Western press.

Lonewolf_50 31st Oct 2018 19:13

How do we get the great unwashed of the UN GA to make appeals for the Kurds with the same vigor that they do for certain residents of the West Bank?
Why do the Kurds not have an advocate? Who did they piss off?

ORAC 19th Dec 2018 16:56

Well it looks like Trump is throwing the Kurds to the wolves.

If if you have been keeping up with the press in the last few days, Turkey has been massing troops getting ready for a large attack on the remaining Kurdish held area in north-eastern Syria, and presumably also Iraq around the oilfield areas Turket has always considered they lost unfairly in the Treaty of Lausanne.

There are many US troops embedded with the Kurds and there were fears Turkish and US troops could end up in combat.

Well Trump has just announced that “ISIS has been defeated”, and all US troops are being pulled up with immediate effect.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c36_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...kurds-in-syria

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rds-under-fire

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...thdrawal-trump

unmanned_droid 19th Dec 2018 17:16

I had to wonder what was really behind that call. Part of me thought it was pure 'troops home for christmas' PR.

I feel very sorry for the Kurds.

Kerosene Kraut 19th Dec 2018 18:07

So Trump lets Russia win?


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