Britain has a rather patchy record in that regard.

Look at what we did to the Chagos islanders. We brutally evicted them to make way for the imperial military base on Diego Garcia.

If you have an hour to spare, try watching a very well-informed documentary on the subject:

Wiki is fascinating and amplifies Fuller's assertion:

keesje,

Given your historical and legal prowess why don't you remind us all when Argentina, in its current form, started its own existence. You may may wish to add how many generations of Argentinian settlers made the Falklands their home before the nasty British got there.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8074/8...b35bf039_c.jpg

You may need to define your date where 'history' began. We could call it Year 1 of the 'Keesje Calendar'.

Looking at the graph I'm surprised the USA aren't claiming it

"The raid of the USS Lexington in December 1831 combined with the United Provinces assertions of sovereignty were the spur for the British to establish a military presence on the islands."

God.....what sort of transgressions did one have to commit to be posted to the Falklands in the 1830"s?:uhoh::eek::ooh:

On second thought....are they the same today as back then?

Hmm, didn't the confederation of independant states become Argentina proper in 1859?

keeje,
Why don't you answer the question, pure and simple..

Bottom line is do you believe in the right of the living to vote for their own destiny.


No waffling, no quoting cherry picked dates in a by gone era

Glojo,

I wouldn't hold your breath, Mate. He never answers any other difficult questions.

keesje continues to ignore any reposts to his posts for which his argument is indefensible. By ignoring inconvenient facts he hopes his arguments will win the day.

Maybe he is not Dutch at all.

And when talking of Aruba etc, let us remember that the Dutch didn't give the Indonesian's their freedom they were well and truly ejected.

Keesje - you seem pretty ready to accept turning the clock back to the Argentinian version of pre-January 1833. Do you think that Argentina would be keen to turn things back fully to that time? Try looking up the southern border of the United Provinces in 1833 (Argentina as such did not exist until the 1850's) - about 1000 miles north of the southern tip of present day Argentina.
Look up the "Conquest of the desert". They took territory by force, killing thousands of the original population who had lived there for generations.
In 1833 there were fewer than 100 people in the Falklands. The British evicted a military garrison (of 26 soldiers plus a few wives and children) that they believed to be illegal, and invited the civilian population to remain. Of that population (which numbered only 33 people), 29 of them (including 14 "Argentinians") stayed in the islands.

It seems to be a very "selective" version of 1833 that Argentina wishes to return to.............

...as selective as keesje will be when he reads your well-constructed argument.

No, he's most certainly Dutch - and should probably go back the the spotter websites he usually posts on.

Airwhiners.com • View topic - What happened to keesje?

I'm on the sideline and happy to honor the Falklanders their Malvinas/ Falkland Islands / Sebald Islands. Here and now. And all the Irish, Hong Kong Chinese, Arubans, Palestians, Kurds, Scotts of the world. Lets not be selective.

Apparently not everyone is on the sideline and Ouch, the vast majority of the civilized world somehow sees it differently then the old colonial power UK.

They sees occupiers, colonialsm, greed, patriotism, farfetched rethorics.

Friends like Brazil takes it a step further. And they are not small, poor or shy..

Complicated situation.

Now about Queen Elizabeth Island..

"Friends like Brazil takes it a step further. And they are not small, poor or shy.."

You have to be joking ?

Brazil would get it's arse kicked by the world if it stuck it's nose in.


Keejse
You really do take the cake. Try reading and answering the questions in those posts that do not fit your argument.

And, suggest you go to the dumb arses and guns thread where I called you out for using a photo to manipulate the argument that didn't represent what you were saying and got caught.

Where is Queen Elizabeth Island? The closest to that is Queen Elizabeth Islands and I'm not sure what they have to do with anything relating to the Falklands.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ern_Canada.png

keesje

As an ex-benny, do I get a vote, or would you rather that I just became an ex Argentinian?


SASLess

"God.....what sort of transgressions did one have to commit to be posted to the Falklands in the 1830"s?http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/worry.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...milies/eek.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/icon25.gif

On second thought....are they the same today as back then?"

You would love the Falklands!
We all had/have guns! lots of them!

What are you talking about?

Brazil might not be small, but in terms of defence spending it is certainly poor (FX2 anyone?) and when it comes to the big wide world Brazil has a marked preference for diplomacy over military intervention.

As for friends, you do realise that there is an ongoing trade dispute between the two countries? Created largely as a result of the policies of the Kirschner government and penalising Brazilian industry, I wouldn't go as far as to say they are friends.

TTFN

Hi Keesje

Can you not grasp that you are arguing in favour of colonisers who virtual wiped out or suppressed indigenous populations against a population who did neither of those things, they settled uninhabited islands.:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Do you think that it is okay for the Falklanders (including members of my family) to be overrun by the colonialists?:suspect:

Shouldn’t you really be arguing for the withdrawal of Argentina and Chile from Patagonia?

Deepsixteen

If Keesje had any credibility LOL...he certainly lost it by quoting/linking an article from the Huffington Post FFS (post 1145).

He is probably the most successful troll that I have seen on here...