While it's not got a direct bearing on new officer applicants, it's worth bearing in mind that some, perhaps all current university bursary recipients are being re-boarded this summer. The aim seems to be to reduce their numbers by 30% or more. Those chopped will not have to re-pay the amounts already received, and those who are retained will be re-confirmed with a place on IOT up to a year after they graduate.

One thing I reckon will come out will be a rise in the pass score for aptitude tests for aircrew at least, which will affect those applying to OASC in the normal way. I can't guess on how high the bar will rise, but it seems pretty likely.

I had heard it was 40% of bursaries were being cut. And with regards to an increase in the aptitude tests, it increased in January when I attended OASC at that point it had been raised 125.

Just out of curiosity is it still 90 for AAC, and what is it for Navy?

The FAA has had an implied level at 130 - although you can get to AIB on >112, it's been rare for several years to get to BRNC on less than 130 for pilot.

As A_A says, there is a base line and a practical minimum. Bit like a grade D in GCSE; you have a GCSE but not one that is good enough.

I've seen a fair few WSOp (Cmn) return to OASC, be selected for pilot (and other branches) then commission and complete their training. However, I have seen a greater amount go to OASC and fail and then stay where they are without even wanting it.

Just so you know, funky, the training to become a breveted WSOp (rotary Cmn) will be 2 years minimum, with at least 6 months in an ocu. You'll then have to complete a frontline tour (at least 3 yrs), probably 2 (6), before your chain of command even consider letting you move on.

My moral is, only become a WSOp if you want to be a WSOp, don't use it as a vehicle to transport you to greater things, you'll only be disappointed.

Unchecked it quite right. In the past where there have been rapid transfers it has probably been in time of pilot shortages. In the 90s there was a successful nav-pilot crossover but once there was a sufficiency of pilots the scheme was dropped - why train someone twice?

One commercial operator, now defunct, did not even retrain his existing aircrew when he got a new type in. It made sense to let people highly experienced on an old type retire and recruit new blood trained on the new type.

RAF recruiters will become more commercial. Why lose a trained WSOp to pilot training (which he may fail) when he's already cost money to train and not fully repaid his training costs, even if he's done his ROS on paper.

A pilot with WSOp training won't automatically be a better pilot, plus he'll be older when he starts pilot training than a fresh young grad/DE, and thus a higher training risk.

On the other hand his/her airmanship might be pretty good

And make him more valuable on the sqn or in the OCU.

We all know sqn cdrs who have blocked people's careers to keep them and who have had people promoted and posted to get rid of them!

Purely playing devil's advocate you understand. I was always surprised at the reluctance of the Army to commission from the ranks, and impressed by both Dark and Light Blue who were very used to it and in modern parlance, embraced it. Buying a commission went out over a hundred years ago :E

Thankyou for replying NDW, I'm going to crack on and try my hardest to follow my dream

No problem & and I wish you the best of luck.

I'm in two minds at the moment, I'm not a defeatist by any means, but I am being realistic that I may not stand a chance in the years to come.

I would love to re-locate to a foreign Air Force such as the RAAF or the USAF and try to pursue a career as a Nav (or CSO or ACO - respectively), but its those damn Visa and foreign educational requirements problems as always.

Might have to call it a day and focus on something else - speaking of which I was accepted into Merchant Navy Officer training as a Deck Officer - but not sure that it is what my heart is set on :confused:.

Time will tell and I will have to see.

Thanks

NDW

How old are you? what sort of GCSE etc have you got mate?? Do you no if its harder to get in the navy as a pilot than the RAF.. I take it its the same, havent really researched that side yet. Have you considered the army air corps at all?

cheers

jobby89,

PM Sent!

OASC Bulletin 29
 

OASC Statement - Pilot Bursaries

This OASC post aims to dispel the misinformation in earlier posts, from other contributors to this forum, about pilot bursars who expected to enter IOT in this financial year.

Each bursar has been written to individually and made aware of how they have been affected by the SDSR and the options available to them as a result. However, none are required to return to the OASC for re-boarding, although all are required to attempt the current pilot aptitude test battery. Moreover, OASC will not be de-selecting any bursars to satisfy a quota; currently a training place remains available for all pilot bursars – albeit not in the timescale that was originally planned.


Please note that, although OASC will endeavour to answer generic questions that arise, we will not be engaging or commenting on individual cases. In those cases, the individual is advised to contact their nearest AFCO who will be able to deal with any queries. All information published is for information only.
Information regarding a career in the RAF can be found at http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers

Is it too much to hope that those who represent OASC are able to communicate in English? I can't be the only woh who thinks that makes no sense whatsoever.

MOTN, a former member of OASC would agree with you; they could not make sense of it either.

We must hope that the letter to individual receipients of pilot bursarys is more litterate.

got my phase 2 oasc date through the post on tuesday, 19th july, pretty excited about it, much preperation to do

Was that deliberate? :}

trash = litter

OASC Medical (Eyesight) reply
 

Morning everyone,

Received my eye-sight results from the OASC this morning via my local AFCO, and it wasn't good news.

I was told I am unfit for Pilot, WSO, WSOp & WSOp (L) due to an Astigmatism in my right eye (the weaker of my eyes). I'm not sure if this means permanetly or temporarily.

I'm pretty gutted, had my heart set out on a Flying career, not even worth considering for the Royal Navy or AAC as Aircrew as my eyes aren't even close to what they as asking for.

Time to close the door on Aviation and look into another career.

Thanks.

Sorry, but if it was temporarily, they'd say so. An eye isn't going to correct itself to that degree.

Why does that bar you from the FAA and the AAC, though? Are we not constantly under the impression that their eyesight requirements are below that of the RAF's? Or are you now saying that your eyes have been discovered to be too bad for all of them?

Perhaps you can now take up the offer of the Deck Officer training in the Merchant Navy.

Kreuger_Flap,

It seems to be the best viable option at this time!

Best check eyesight requirements for that too.

Wander00,

I already hold a ENG1 Medical for the Merchant Navy and I passed the eyesight standards for that in March 2011.

The standards were 6/60 or better in each eye. Thing is no Astigmatism was found during my eye test by a MCA Optician.

OASC Bulletin 30
 

In this submission we will cover the updated Pilot Aptitude Test Battery.

Following a recent comprehensive analysis of the mental thought processes that are an integral element of modern day Pilot training, it was clear that a revised, more sophisticated, battery of aptitude tests was essential for the selection of candidates to operate the new, more technologically advanced platforms on the front line. In essence, the updated test battery better reveals an individual’s ability to maintain a high level of auditory and visual perception, together with rapid and accurate mental processing supported by sound short-term and medium-term memory function. Additionally, the candidate must have excellent visual-spatial ability and sound situational awareness in a highly dynamic environment. The updated Pilot battery consists of 7 different competencies that vary from Strategic Task Management to the more ‘traditional’ Psychomotor skills and represents a considerable challenge to the prospective RAF pilot.

The updated test battery is now in place and will take the candidate, on average, about 6 hours to complete (not including rest breaks). As before, the test will be scored out of 180 with the pass mark set at 112; however, OASC may impose a higher Current Competitive Score (CCS) when forecast recruitment numbers are low. Each of the tested competencies is measured on a standard nine point scale (or Stanine) and for each competency an acceptable minimum stanine has been set. Therefore, in addition to achieving the required overall score, candidates must also pass the set stanine score for each competency. OASC will only call candidates forward for the Exercise Phase who have passed the aptitude tests, and achieved a score at or above the CCS.

Aptitude scores are valid for 12 months and there is no limit on the number of times that the tests can be taken. However, as previously stated, 12 months must have elapsed from the previous test date before another attempt can be made. Furthermore, Candidates must still meet all the relevant eligibility criteria; particularly, if successful, they must be able to start Initial Officer Training before their 26th birthday.

Remember that aptitude tests are designed to test an individual’s innate ability; therefore no amount of preparation will change the outcome. However, our general advice is to arrive relaxed, well rested and ensure you have had a good breakfast as the aptitude tests will take some hours to complete.

Please note that, although OASC will endeavour to answer generic questions that arise, we will not be engaging or commenting on individual cases. In those cases, the individual is advised to contact their nearest AFCO who will be able to deal with any queries. All information published is for information only.

Information regarding a career in the RAF can be found at http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers

Taylor. The only advice I can give you is to look at the great big thread at the top of the page entitled............................OASC 'CANDIDATES and WANNABES,PLEASE READ THIS THREAD FIRST (NEW THREAD). I would post a link to it but I wouldn’t want to do everything for you.

well he's failed on initiative and observation then

Taylor-04
 

Hi Taylor.

It is my understanding that pilot recruitment is frozen until at least April 2012, so it is not possible to even apply until then unless they change their mind beforehand.

There is a quote from OASC regarding this a few pages back I think.

Sorry to bear bad news!

Your comment about recruiting for Pilot (and other branches) may well be true, however, you still need to visit your AFCO and register your interest on the Careers Information Line. This way, once the the branches start to re-open, your details will be in the system and your application will be processed. Don't wait until the rumours of the branches opening appear on here because you may miss your chance!

Ahh OK I did not know that.

I went to OASC in November last year but since failing that I have given up the dream so am somewhat out of the loop.

Can you imagine how many backlogged applications they will have to process when they open recruiting again? :ugh: I pity the wannabes in waiting I tell you.

There may be a lot of people in the system once recruiting starts but this shouldn't put people off applying. OASC has got to give the jobs to someone so i guess as long as individuals make themselves as selectable as possible then they stand a chance. You have been through the process before so should know how to best prepare yourself for another attempt; assuming you are still chasing your dream. If you are - don't give up on it! Equally, don't worry about the others that are in the system - they will be driven on by their own motivation!

Krueger flap.

I read this thread now and again - plus others - and sometimes think replies to questions are somewhat kurt to say the least.

Your reply to Taylor04 falls within this and in my opinion was completely uncalled for. Who do you think you are? He was simply asking a question.

Don't bother trying to enter into an online war of words. I can't be ars*d.

TN.

Torantonight, I couldn't agree more. I am very much a believer that there is no such thing as a stupid question. It is a huge deal for someone to commit to the Armed Forces, therefore I have nothing but respect for those who seek answers to the many questions that they are bound to have in order to prepare themselves. I just hope the wannabes only take heed of those people who offer positive and constructive answers.

OASC Bulletin 31
 

During this bulletin, we would like to cover the subject of Corneal Refractive Surgery for Aircrew. The submission is fairly heavy-going but it should serve to give you some guidance. As ever, if you need further information, you should contact your local AFCO. Please note that there seems to be an issue with the formatting of this message therefore some letter a's have been replaced for @ symbols for some reason.

Until quite recently Corneal Refractive Surgery (CRS) was not permitted in either existing aircrew or recruits, however increasing evidence has emerged, much of it from the USA, of the safety of CRS in the military flying environment. There are still hazards and problems associated with CRS which must be considered before embarking on surgery.

CRS may be performed by a number of methods. Photorefractive Keratectomy (PRK) involves the reshaping of the anterior corneal surface by photoablation using an ultraviolet excimer laser. The corneal epithelium is removed prior to treatment and grows back over the treated zone within 4-6 days. Laser Epithelial Keratomileusis (LASEK) is a modification of PRK where a thin flap of corneal epithelium is created. The underlying corneal stroma is ablated in the same way as PRK but the flap of epithelium is replaced and acts as a bandage lens. The visual outcome is very similar to PRK but pain and haze are reduced. Laser In-Situ Keratomileusis (LASIK) involves the cutting of an actual flap of corneal stromal tissue and ablating the underlying stromal bed, before replacing the flap. Disruption of the epithelial layer is kept to a minimum and this avoids the aggressive healing response that leads to the formation of haze. Pain is also minimised and visual recovery occurs within 1-2 days. For those with low levels of myopia, outcomes in terms of visual performance for all of these techniques are very similar.

It is impossible to guarantee the result of surgery as healing and scar formation vary however the final uncorrected visual acuity after PRK and LASEK is comparable 12 months after treatment; LASEK is associated with less pain and visual recovery is more rapid although LASEK does produce more intra-operative pain. The most common complications following surgery include dry eyes, haze and reduced best corrected visual acuity; more serious complications include infection, inflammation and problems with the corneal flap. Postoperative best uncorrected visual acuity has been reported at 6/12 or better (the minimum standard for pilot selection is 6/12 or better uncorrected in each eye) in 46-100% of eyes depending on the degree of initial short sightedness. It should be noted that postoperative 6/6 vision may be subjectively different from preoperative best corrected 6/6 vision due to a reduction in contrast sensitivity.

Aircrew are normally recruited at an age before ocular maturity when CRS may not provide long-term refractive stability. CRS is not recommended below the age of 21 for this reason; however aircrew recruits may be accepted subject to the following criteria:

(a) CRS by PRK, LASEK and LASIK only.

(b) A minimum of one year to have elapsed since surgery

(c) Minimum age at application of 22.

(d) Subject’s refraction to have been stable for at least 6 months.

(e) Recorded pre-operative refractive error must not exceed –5.00 to +2.00 dioptres in any meridian

(f) Post operative visual acuity within current aircrew visual recruitment limits

If the preceding criteria are met candidates are to be referred to the Consultant Adviser in Ophthalmology (RAF) for assessment by the Officer and Aircrew Selection Centre. OASC will continue to screen RAF candidates via corneal topography to identify those who have had undeclared CRS.

Corneal Refractive Surgery for Ground Branches

The following methods of surgical correction of long or short sightedness are considered suitable for candidates for ground branches on an individual, case by case basis:

(a) Photorefractive keratectomy (PRK)

(b) Laser epithelial keratomileusis (LASEK)

(c) Laser in-situ keratomileusis (LASIK)

(d) Intrastomal corneal rings (ICRs), otherwise known as Intrastomal corneal segments (ICSs).

Entry will not be considered for candidates who have undergone radial keratotomy (RK) or astigmatic keratotomy (AK). Documentary evidence must be produced to confirm that their preoperative refractive error was no more than +6.00 or -6.00 dioptres in either eye and the best spectacle corrected visual acuity no worse than 6/9 in either eye, in addition at least 12 months is to have elapsed since last surgery. There are to have been no significant visual side effects secondary to the surgery affecting daily activities or night vision and refraction is to be stable; as defined by two refractions performed on each eye at least 6 months apart, with no more than 0.50 dioptre difference in the spherical equivalent of either eye. Specialist visual function testing must have been carried out with satisfactory results at least 12 months following surgery, this is to include assessment of refraction, symmetry of visual acuity, high and low contrast sensitivity (with and without glare sources) or contrast acuity analysis, astigmatism, glare, corneal clarity, masked mild hypermetropia and night vision.

Please note that, although OASC will endeavour to answer generic questions that arise, we will not be engaging or commenting on individual cases. In those cases, the individual is advised to contact their nearest AFCO who will be able to deal with any queries. All information published is for information only.

Information regarding a career in the RAF can be found athttp://www.raf.mod.uk/careers

OASC Bulletin 32
 

The OASC started to provide bulletins on PPRuNe just over a year ago; the aim was to provide prospective candidates, interested in an RAF career, with clear and accurate information about the OASC Selection Process and related issues. However, it was always our intention to withdraw from the forum at some point, and that time has now come.
Nevertheless, all the OASC Bulletins have been reviewed and updated, where appropriate, so that all the information contained therein is accurate today; however, it will not be updated again.

For further information we attach 2 links (below); firstly to the RAF Careers website and secondly to a new RAF College website that will contain information relating to OASC and OACTU.


http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers


http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcollegecranwell


As ever, if you have any questions regarding the OASC Selection Process or related issues then our advice is for you to contact your local Armed Forces Careers Office so that you get accurate, informed and up to date information.

In closing, we have received many complimentary comments from those who have visited the Selection Centre over the last year regarding the information posted on PPRuNe by the OASC; we hope that our engagement on the forum has been of assistance to those in the process of choosing a career in the RAF.

OASC

i havent posted on here for a while, but i thought i would let you guys know that i finally attended phase 2 OASC at cranwell

it didnt end well this morning, and i didnt get to do the medical, interview or fitness and to be honest and i'm pretty devasted.

I enjoyed selection, and feel lucky to have got there, but the feeling of not getting to the interview / med / fit test part is awful, and i'm not going to lie, i've shed many tears today

the main piece of advice i can take away from today and the past couple of days is "dont be a sheep, stand out"

I think you are really brave writing your raw feelings on here. The RAF only want people with that level of passion. Let your emotions now be your inspiration to drive you on and help you develop yourself for your next attempt. I know many individuals who have taken 2 or even 3 attempts to get through the selection process. Their tenacity paid off in the end as I'm sure it will for you - so don't give up!