Red Arrows Replacement............
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https://www.platinumfighters.com/inv...ighter-n104rb/
Other A/C are available...
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At least it will be through an open competition, hopefully with no political meddling. some interesting comments from MDP.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...rocurementSmes
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...3BDD/RedArrows
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...rocurementSmes
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...3BDD/RedArrows
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Aeralis
As I have said many times, I will be delighted to be proven wrong but I still don’t see Aeralis being the logical choice.
Their USP is the common wing concept. I am struggling to see any customer, the RAF included, who needs that right now. In the RAF’s case they are solely after a straight Hawk T2 replacement. That means that the Aeralis comes across as a ‘Jack of all trades, Master of none’. There are much better options for a pure Phase IV trainer already on the market.
I really don’t want to see the RAF lumbered with a poor aircraft just to satisfy British industry. I mean, when has that ever happened?!
BV
Their USP is the common wing concept. I am struggling to see any customer, the RAF included, who needs that right now. In the RAF’s case they are solely after a straight Hawk T2 replacement. That means that the Aeralis comes across as a ‘Jack of all trades, Master of none’. There are much better options for a pure Phase IV trainer already on the market.
I really don’t want to see the RAF lumbered with a poor aircraft just to satisfy British industry. I mean, when has that ever happened?!
BV
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From: The 24th & a Half Century
As I have said many times, I will be delighted to be proven wrong but I still don’t see Aeralis being the logical choice.
Their USP is the common wing concept. I am struggling to see any customer, the RAF included, who needs that right now. In the RAF’s case they are solely after a straight Hawk T2 replacement. That means that the Aeralis comes across as a ‘Jack of all trades, Master of none’. There are much better options for a pure Phase IV trainer already on the market.
I really don’t want to see the RAF lumbered with a poor aircraft just to satisfy British industry. I mean, when has that ever happened?!
BV
Their USP is the common wing concept. I am struggling to see any customer, the RAF included, who needs that right now. In the RAF’s case they are solely after a straight Hawk T2 replacement. That means that the Aeralis comes across as a ‘Jack of all trades, Master of none’. There are much better options for a pure Phase IV trainer already on the market.
I really don’t want to see the RAF lumbered with a poor aircraft just to satisfy British industry. I mean, when has that ever happened?!
BV
There are more COIs here than you can imagine. That’s before diving down the rabbit hole of Mr China being on their Advisory Board and the very non-British nature of the supply chain especially when looked at via ownership. Rumour has it there’s a capability investigation underway into their maturity…….
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/1984-10-17/debates/8682880b-879e-46a2-925a-91b914046600/RafNewBasicTrainerEvaluationOfTenders
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Its far too late in the day now to be even thinking that Aeralis is even an option for Hawk T.2 replacement....maybe if the timeline was 2050, but not 2030.
But, I'm sure wallets and ego's in the corridors of power can be suitably massaged to give the RAF another donkey.
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As I have said many times, I will be delighted to be proven wrong but I still don’t see Aeralis being the logical choice.
Their USP is the common wing concept. I am struggling to see any customer, the RAF included, who needs that right now. In the RAF’s case they are solely after a straight Hawk T2 replacement. That means that the Aeralis comes across as a ‘Jack of all trades, Master of none’. There are much better options for a pure Phase IV trainer already on the market.
Their USP is the common wing concept. I am struggling to see any customer, the RAF included, who needs that right now. In the RAF’s case they are solely after a straight Hawk T2 replacement. That means that the Aeralis comes across as a ‘Jack of all trades, Master of none’. There are much better options for a pure Phase IV trainer already on the market.
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At least it will be through an open competition, hopefully with no political meddling. some interesting comments from MDP.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...rocurementSmes
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...3BDD/RedArrows
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...rocurementSmes
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...3BDD/RedArrows
And someone needs to brief John Cooper on the facts relating to TSR2.
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What British Industry though, they don't even have a UK production facility to build any yet......(ignoring the fact that they haven't even built a flyable and testable prototype yet)
Its far too late in the day now to be even thinking that Aeralis is even an option for Hawk T.2 replacement....maybe if the timeline was 2050, but not 2030.
But, I'm sure wallets and ego's in the corridors of power can be suitably massaged to give the RAF another donkey.
Its far too late in the day now to be even thinking that Aeralis is even an option for Hawk T.2 replacement....maybe if the timeline was 2050, but not 2030.
But, I'm sure wallets and ego's in the corridors of power can be suitably massaged to give the RAF another donkey.
Jack
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According to The Times today. From the article:-
The next generation of Red Arrows will be “Scottish as well as British” after it emerged they will be assembled at an SNP government-owned airport.The defence aviation firm Aeralis said that it had agreed a deal with Prestwick airport to build a facility for the final assembly of its UK aircraft. The company is developing a modular light jet aircraft which will replace the Hawk T1, currently used by the Red Arrows, which are due to be retired by the end of the decade. The site will also be used to assemble training aircraft and fighter jets for the RAF and Nato. The facility in Ayrshire is to go ahead despite an SNP ban on using taxpayer support for “munitions” projects. The airport was nationalised by the Scottish government in 2013 to save it from closure. It has since returned to profitability and the airport said the deal would create jobs, apprenticeships and investment.
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Glasgow Prestwick Airport has been selected by leading British aircraft manufacturer AERALIS as the final assembly site for its revolutionary new aircraft programme – successfully beating off competition from 67 other UK locations.
Glasgow Prestwick Airport has been selected by leading British aircraft manufacturer AERALIS as the final assembly site for its revolutionary new aircraft programme – successfully beating off competition from 67 other UK locations.
https://www.glasgowprestwick.com/new...ew-red-arrows/
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Samlesbury is huge and all of the Airbus UK plants are pretty large and impressive too. There are numerous component and sub assembly manufacturers who could also get involved. The plan to manufacture the Aeralis includes airframe manufacture at Hamble and an assembly line at Prestwick.
You do seem to be really ill informed.