Gaza Air War
That is all plainly wrong. As you supposedly should well know. Lots of western kinetic planning (and actual IDF operations) revolves around a certain level of acceptable collateral damage. There is a number for each each target which when presented to a politician will be either approved as proportional, or rejected as too high for the gain.
If Israel is engaged in a fight for its survival then that that CIVCAS number is now at a very high level for the targets in Gaza.
If Israel is engaged in a fight for its survival then that that CIVCAS number is now at a very high level for the targets in Gaza.
I'm sorry, but indiscriminate bombing is just plain wrong, and I don't care which side does it, IT IS STILL WRONG.
In my simple world, an Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories would bring a resolution to all this as it would remove the underlying issue the Palestinians have with Israel.
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I'm sorry, but indiscriminate bombing is just plain wrong, and I don't care which side does it, IT IS STILL WRONG.
In my simple world, an Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories would bring a resolution to all this as it would remove the underlying issue the Palestinians have with Israel.
it's not - it is in a fight with a neighbour
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
An expensive bit of overkill - but you drop what you’ve got….. Video…
Earlier today, a group of individuals approached the Israeli border fence in southern Lebanon and attempted to emplace an explosive device on the barrier.
The Israeli Air Force promptly dropped a JDAM on them.
Earlier today, a group of individuals approached the Israeli border fence in southern Lebanon and attempted to emplace an explosive device on the barrier.
The Israeli Air Force promptly dropped a JDAM on them.
Nothing indiscriminate about it, in terms of what TR was describing.
With that pointed out, the recent remarks by that Israeli rear admiral about their going for quantity not quality during, the initial missions ,indicates that their RoE at that point were looser, and if they don't tighten them up they absolutely open themselves up to precisely the charge you lay there.
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it's not - it is in a fight with a neighbour
It's a matter of geography, time, distance, and range.
Each fight they get into has the potential to become existentially threatening if they make an operation error.
They don't have all that much territory, and yes, they tend to be paranoid about that.
Unlike you, they don't have the English Chanel to hide behind. Unlike me, they don't have the Atlantic Ocean to hide behind.
None of that harsh reality excuses some of their nastier policies. The dispute is over land.
Maybe not at the moment, but the remarks that Israeli Rear Admiral made last week in terms of characterizing the air strikes as something considerably less than precision strikes leads to valid criticism in that direction.
Sorry crab, but if you don't recognise by now that every war Israel fights is a war for its survival then you haven't been paying attention for the past 75 years.
With that in mind *** Aviation Content!!!*** the delay between when the paragliders crossed the border and the IAF responded ought to give them pause. They were on the back foot.
Yes, they are paranoid. Perhaps there is some justification in that mind set, in terms of what the cost of a mistake can be.
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Just out of interest, has anyone seen any stories of aerial assets going the other way since the original assault? Either out of Palestine or indeed Lebanon?
BV
Trying to steer the thread back towards air power when I was actually the first person to have drifted it.
BV
Trying to steer the thread back towards air power when I was actually the first person to have drifted it.
Maybe not at the moment, but the remarks that Israeli Rear Admiral made last week in terms of characterizing the air strikes as something considerably less than precision strikes leads to valid criticism in that direction.
Yes, I cringed when he said it, shades of Bomber Harris and likely to sway the opinion of decent neutrals. A very naughty policy and very very silly to publicise it.
Yes, I cringed when he said it, shades of Bomber Harris and likely to sway the opinion of decent neutrals. A very naughty policy and very very silly to publicise it.
To me it is simple. If the images of IAF F-16s carrying racks of dumb bombs are true and they are bombing built up areas then that is bombing for effect rather than precision and that equals indiscriminate killing. Yes the bad guys were guilty of exactly that, but that is no reason to emulate it in spades. A professional military is supposed to be better than that.
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To me it is simple. If the images of IAF F-16s carrying racks of dumb bombs are true and they are bombing built up areas then that is bombing for effect rather than precision and that equals indiscriminate killing. Yes the bad guys were guilty of exactly that, but that is no reason to emulate it in spades. A professional military is supposed to be better than that.
If you mean rockets, then yes from gaza and lebanon.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67133803
or this
https://www.chicagotribune.com/natio...q2q-story.html
Give it time, info will trickle in.
Spoiler
If HAMAS or the legitimate Palestinian authority can / will produce ordnance fragments from the site VERY QUICKLY then IDF may indeed be to blame. If identifiers take a week to be produced, looks like a dreadful own goal.<br />Either way it is, of course, tragic and will not be allowed to be sidelined.
What is eerie was 5 decades ago around this time, October 1973 - that then Tactical Air Command (TAC) were tasked to deploy a squadron of then McDonnell Douglas F-4C Phantom on an eleven hour non stop flight , followed by Lockheed C-130B to Israel, to counter the Soviet thereat in the region. Also USAFE units were on high alert too, albeit with bucket of sunshine....probably the second time in just over a decade since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Then of course a decade later we had our Operation Hyperion with 12 and 208 Sqn Blackburn Buccaneers S2B at Akrotiri in case all helll broke loose in Beirut with our peacekeeping force, and of course 7 and 18 Sqn Boeing Chinooks HC1 supporting the force. I also believe mcDonnell Douglas F-4j?K Phantoms also supproted.
Anyhow POTUS should be on his way to visit in the next day or so to the region, and if anyone is using ADSB, Grimm 99 Boeing E-4B is making its merry way across the Atlantic as I type.
cheers
Then of course a decade later we had our Operation Hyperion with 12 and 208 Sqn Blackburn Buccaneers S2B at Akrotiri in case all helll broke loose in Beirut with our peacekeeping force, and of course 7 and 18 Sqn Boeing Chinooks HC1 supporting the force. I also believe mcDonnell Douglas F-4j?K Phantoms also supproted.
Anyhow POTUS should be on his way to visit in the next day or so to the region, and if anyone is using ADSB, Grimm 99 Boeing E-4B is making its merry way across the Atlantic as I type.
cheers
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
The failed rocket launch is looking more and more like the culprit in the attack on the hospital.
This video shows the impact a few moments after an interception.
Full recording from @ajmubasher feed.
You can see outgoing rocket fire some distance away. The rocket is intercepted in the air, and breaks apart into shrapnel.
After this 2 explosions are seen: one smaller one, perhaps on the rocket launcher, and a big one on the hospital.
This video shows the impact a few moments after an interception.
Full recording from @ajmubasher feed.
You can see outgoing rocket fire some distance away. The rocket is intercepted in the air, and breaks apart into shrapnel.
After this 2 explosions are seen: one smaller one, perhaps on the rocket launcher, and a big one on the hospital.
Does that look like the hit on the hospital to you?
A number of very reliable geo-locators online have confirmed the blast took place during a rocket barrage from the strip and have video of a breaking up rocket and subsequent impact onto the hospital.
But people will believe what suits them anyway.
But people will believe what suits them anyway.