Gaza Air War
Originally Posted by [email protected]
Bombing civilians is barbarous and illegal and perhaps the US have put enough pressure on Israel to realise that.
Anything else is collateral damage and quite legal.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
It would seem this will turn out to be an underground war rather than a continued air war - the IDF are going into the 300km maze of Hamas tunnels.
Bombing civilians is barbarous and illegal and perhaps the US have put enough pressure on Israel to realise that.
Bombing civilians is barbarous and illegal and perhaps the US have put enough pressure on Israel to realise that.
Nuance matters.
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<span style="color:#000000;">Nuance matters.</span>
Originally Posted by [email protected]
not to the civilians on the receiving end. How does careful targeting involve levelling entire apartment blocks?<br /><br />The Russians used this crap excuse but I hoped the Israelis were better people than that being children of God and all.
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A close up view
Apologies once again for the Instagram link but it’s where I’ve been seeing a good selection of videos. This one gives some interesting views of what it’s like to be on the receiving end.
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House Foreign Affairs Committee drafting legislation authorizing military force if Israel-Hamas conflict expands
From CNN's Sam Fossum
House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul told CNN Monday that his committee is drafting legislation “in the event it’s necessary” to authorize US military force if the current conflict between Israel and Hamas broadens into a wider proxy war with Iran…
The revelation that his committee is crafting draft legislation — known as an Authorization of Use for Military Force — comes as President Joe Biden prepares to travel to the region later this week and is the latest indication that the US government is deeply concerned over how the current crisis could broaden in a way that might require a US military response.
The US military ordered a second carrier strike group to the Eastern Mediterranean as well as Air Force fighter jets to the region as part of US efforts to deter Iran and its proxies from expanding the conflict.
McCaul was careful not to say whether the White House had specifically asked for such an authorization, telling reporters: "I don't want to confirm that. It's just that there is concern that — we, I'm currently, we're currently drafting one in the event it's necessary."
When asked by CNN what this potential authorization might entail, McCaul said: “I'd prefer not to put Iran as a nation state in there. It would be more Iran proxies, you know, like Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran-backed Shi’ia militias, but if Iran gets directly involved, then we would have to put them on the list."….
From CNN's Sam Fossum
House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul told CNN Monday that his committee is drafting legislation “in the event it’s necessary” to authorize US military force if the current conflict between Israel and Hamas broadens into a wider proxy war with Iran…
The revelation that his committee is crafting draft legislation — known as an Authorization of Use for Military Force — comes as President Joe Biden prepares to travel to the region later this week and is the latest indication that the US government is deeply concerned over how the current crisis could broaden in a way that might require a US military response.
The US military ordered a second carrier strike group to the Eastern Mediterranean as well as Air Force fighter jets to the region as part of US efforts to deter Iran and its proxies from expanding the conflict.
McCaul was careful not to say whether the White House had specifically asked for such an authorization, telling reporters: "I don't want to confirm that. It's just that there is concern that — we, I'm currently, we're currently drafting one in the event it's necessary."
When asked by CNN what this potential authorization might entail, McCaul said: “I'd prefer not to put Iran as a nation state in there. It would be more Iran proxies, you know, like Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran-backed Shi’ia militias, but if Iran gets directly involved, then we would have to put them on the list."….
The President of Israel complains that the IDF are operating within the basic 'guidelines' of International Law. Note: He said guidelines, not rules. The rules of International Humanitarian Law are quite clear. Unfortunately, Israel chose not to be a signatory to those basic rules which were put in place to protect civilians from harm. Principles of Proportionality (1977).
The President of Israel complains that the IDF are operating within the basic 'guidelines' of International Law. Note: He said guidelines, not rules. The rules of International Humanitarian Law are quite clear. Unfortunately, Israel chose not to be a signatory to those basic rules which were put in place to protect civilians from harm. Principles of Proportionality (1977).
Choosing not to add signature to Treaty does not release countries which have advanced military capabilities from their obligation to observe basic principles of proportionality. Specifically, articles 51, 57, of IHL were written for the exact scenario we are now witnessing. Irrespective of which States avoided signing up to those protocols, they should be applied as a minimum standard in this particular case
Did we bomb the most densely populated region in the world?
It is an indefensible action no matter how much you dance on the head of the pin.
Deflection mil 26man - is it right to bomb a densely populated area full of non- combatants or not? Easy question.
Not deflection - either you object to all bombing of civilian areas or you don't. You can't just pick and choose when the Israelis do it.
That's precisely the question YOU need to answer. I don't believe it is wrong, if safeguards are taken to minimise civilians casualties. I believe the Israeli military is doing what it can to not kill civilians, but I suspect we're in JB territory now.
is it right to bomb a densely populated area full of non- combatants or not? Easy question.
I can answer the question - it is always wrong to bomb civilians. Don’t hide behind what we or others did in the past.
Mitigations are impossible in such densely populated areas - just mealy mouthed words from politicians.
Mitigations are impossible in such densely populated areas - just mealy mouthed words from politicians.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
I can answer the question - it is always wrong to bomb civilians. Don’t hide behind what we or others did in the past.
Mitigations are impossible in such densely populated areas - just mealy mouthed words from politicians.
Mitigations are impossible in such densely populated areas - just mealy mouthed words from politicians.
Not naive - just a human being who values other human beings lives.
If you are in uniform, you know the risks and are prepared to put yourself, or be put, in harms way - what choice did the civilians on either side of this carnage have?
Hamas committed an atrocity killing the Israeli and other civilians - Israel have doubled the death rate on the Palestinian side with their bombing - tell me how any of that is justified.
Some people just love to have an excuse for killing other people - it's a bloody sad world.
If you are in uniform, you know the risks and are prepared to put yourself, or be put, in harms way - what choice did the civilians on either side of this carnage have?
Hamas committed an atrocity killing the Israeli and other civilians - Israel have doubled the death rate on the Palestinian side with their bombing - tell me how any of that is justified.
Some people just love to have an excuse for killing other people - it's a bloody sad world.
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As you say, Hamas "committed an atrocity killing the Israeli and other civilians". If Israel is to deal with the threat from Hamas it has to go where Hamas is (in the built-up area of Gaza) not to where it would like it to be (out in the open desert, perhaps, from where it could carpet bomb them from the air [keeping it on topic for the mods] with no danger to civilian life). It's the unfortunate reality, and one that Hamas banked on when it started this particular cycle.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
I can answer the question - it is always wrong to bomb civilians. Don’t hide behind what we or others did in the past.
Mitigations are impossible in such densely populated areas - just mealy mouthed words from politicians.
Mitigations are impossible in such densely populated areas - just mealy mouthed words from politicians.
If Israel is engaged in a fight for its survival then that CIVCAS number is now at a very high level for the targets in Gaza.
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Apologies once again for the Instagram link but it’s where I’ve been seeing a good selection of videos. This one gives some interesting views of what it’s like to be on the receiving end.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyeoP...RlODBiNWFlZA==
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyeoP...RlODBiNWFlZA==