Gaza Air War
They've enough to do in the Persian Gulf on a day to day basis, in any event.
There's only one way to find out, but it'll have to be a fancy drone carrier battle group in order to keep it Air War-related.
It would be a good idea for the new Iranian Navy to have glass bottomed ships so they could look down on the old Iranian Navy ships as the IRN steam o ut to participate in a USN Sink EX.
A recap of a one day war between the IRN and the USN.
Warning.....Aviation Content with scenes of use of weapons of various kinds.
A recap of a one day war between the IRN and the USN.
Warning.....Aviation Content with scenes of use of weapons of various kinds.
It would be a good idea for the new Iranian Navy to have glass bottomed ships so they could look down on the old Iranian Navy ships as the IRN steam o ut to participate in a USN Sink EX.
A recap of a one day war between the IRN and the USN.
Warning.....Aviation Content with scenes of use of weapons of various kinds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH0qIQkmDWI&t=162s
A recap of a one day war between the IRN and the USN.
Warning.....Aviation Content with scenes of use of weapons of various kinds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH0qIQkmDWI&t=162s
Thing is, if they are sitting there and you are sitting there, and you are both in international waters, you don't have an excuse for that sort of behaviour, as I never used to tire of telling the studes in Maxwell, who thought the US had the right to do whatever it wanted to, wherever it wanted to. It seemed a hard concept for some of them to grasp as I recall.
A large share of the blame for what is now happening in the Middle East as a whole results from political decisions made by poorly educated European politicians over a century ago, and that resulted in the region being "split up" by simply drawing lines on maps to decide which bit became which country - then, about 30 yrs later after WWII, similar decisions made by the then "powers" simply agravated the underlying historical tensions in the region.
Later, and certainly much more recently - and I feel that I have to say this - right-wing politicians and ultra-orthodox jews in Israel (and elsewhere, including the US) have simply made the situation much worse by giving out the impression that Israel has the "right" to decide what land it will occupy and use, regardless of the rights and feelings of the Palestinians. "History" should have made those people/politicians understand that viable and peaceful solutions at a national level cannot be imposed on populations unless the latter can actively participate in their development and agree their implimentation. So, how is the above relevant to students in the US?
As has been said MANY times, if people don't understand "history" then they are likely to repeat the same mistakes over and over again - and that is as relevant to "worldwide bystanders" like those students in a major world power, as it is to the people directly and intimately involved in the issues in question in the Middle East, and especially in the Palestinien and Israeli dominated areas. If those, and many other areas of the world, really do want to "do things in their own way" then any other "power" MUST understand that and take it into consideration when considering how to try to "help" - and that does NOT mean deciding to "do things" in THEIR own way when that conflicts with what the locals want.
Rant over, I hope!
Last edited by jeallen01; 2nd Nov 2023 at 22:41.
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Perhaps you misunderstood what they were having difficulty in understanding.
I seem to recall some Brits seem to think they hold a superior grasp of everything but reality.
You reckon they were simply smiling at you and nodding their heads while checking their watches to see how long they had to act polite.
Don't feel bad as most of our military services think that way re our Navy as well.
Our Marines have a clear view of that as they know until they actually can walk on water they shall need the Navy for a ride to work.
The Air Force sees the Navy and thinks targets and a competition for funding.
The Army just sees the Junior Service for what it is.....Junior.
Now back to the Air War extant......IDR reports the following.
Mighty dangerous airspaces to be flying around in.....no telling what could happen.
I seem to recall some Brits seem to think they hold a superior grasp of everything but reality.
You reckon they were simply smiling at you and nodding their heads while checking their watches to see how long they had to act polite.
Don't feel bad as most of our military services think that way re our Navy as well.
Our Marines have a clear view of that as they know until they actually can walk on water they shall need the Navy for a ride to work.
The Air Force sees the Navy and thinks targets and a competition for funding.
The Army just sees the Junior Service for what it is.....Junior.
Now back to the Air War extant......IDR reports the following.
Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari, the spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), told reporters Thursday that Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, had left Doha, Qatar, on a private jet to meet the leader of Iran in Tehran.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/02/w...stages-us.html
U.S. Drones Are Flying Over Gaza to Aid in Hostage Recovery, Officials Say
The military has been sending weapons and advisers to Israel, but the flights suggest a more active American role.
The U.S. military is flying surveillance drones over the Gaza Strip, according to two Defense Department officials and an analysis by The New York Times. The officials said the drones were being used to aid in hostage recovery efforts,indicating that the U.S. is more involved than previously known.….
U.S. Drones Are Flying Over Gaza to Aid in Hostage Recovery, Officials Say
The military has been sending weapons and advisers to Israel, but the flights suggest a more active American role.
The U.S. military is flying surveillance drones over the Gaza Strip, according to two Defense Department officials and an analysis by The New York Times. The officials said the drones were being used to aid in hostage recovery efforts,indicating that the U.S. is more involved than previously known.….
Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari, the spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), told reporters Thursday that Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, had left Doha, Qatar, on a private jet to meet the leader of Iran in Tehran.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Heavy build up of Hezbullah and other troops in Lebanon and Syria on the border and indications an attack may be in the offing with numerous drone and missile attacks against Israeli intelligence and sensor sites.
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ovember-2-2023
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https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ovember-2-2023
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Back in the days of the USSR we dealt with some pretty appalling people all over the world. It's not a simple "you must agree with everything we say" world - there are many shades of grey - look at India for example and Russian sanctions. Every country has it 's own world view and it's own interests - if you start dumping people because you don't like a specific policy they have you'll be in a very empty space pretty quickly
jeallen01 - a worthy rant and one which will be ignored by many warmongers, keen to apply their one-sided view of the conflict to a very complex problem built over many years.
Israel does have a right to defend itself - but his gradual elimination of the Palestinian people whilst claiming they are trying to minimise casualties is abhorrent and has probably crossed the line into war crimes territory.
Israel does have a right to defend itself - but his gradual elimination of the Palestinian people whilst claiming they are trying to minimise casualties is abhorrent and has probably crossed the line into war crimes territory.
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"A large share of the blame for what is now happening in the Middle East as a whole results from political decisions made by poorly educated European politicians over a century ago,"
I think they were pretty well educated TBH - but they were trying to make sense out of the collapse of the Turkish Empire - and, of course, to push their own national agendas. I don't think anyone wanted a large, dominating leadership in the area to replace the Turks. And the individual local groups - Egyptians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Arabs, etc etc all wanted a piece of the cake for themselves. This was the time when Europe was also split into fragments of the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish Empires - with the Balkans mess still a headache even now.
The issue in both areas is that over several millennia different ethnic and religious groups are intermingled on the ground - and if they can't get on with each other (Ulster anyone?) then mayhem ensues.
I think they were pretty well educated TBH - but they were trying to make sense out of the collapse of the Turkish Empire - and, of course, to push their own national agendas. I don't think anyone wanted a large, dominating leadership in the area to replace the Turks. And the individual local groups - Egyptians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Arabs, etc etc all wanted a piece of the cake for themselves. This was the time when Europe was also split into fragments of the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish Empires - with the Balkans mess still a headache even now.
The issue in both areas is that over several millennia different ethnic and religious groups are intermingled on the ground - and if they can't get on with each other (Ulster anyone?) then mayhem ensues.
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Can we trust IDF spokespersons who control the narrative to be a reliable source of information. The official line is they must contain an ongoing problem whereby Israel is attacked with impunity, and therefore respond by attacking targets in densely populated urban areas. With impunity. What gives these people their sense of entitlement. Is it a Prime Minister who repeatedly quotes Old Testament wrath, or foreign visitors from CENTCOM Commander to EU President, who support Israel's right to defend itself. If the scale of air operations over Gaza meets the definition of a defensive war there needs to be a recalibration of the formula by which US Congress allocate more than USD 3 billion each year to help the IDF maintain a 'Qualitative Military Edge'. Has the United States allowed any part of the War Reserves Stockpile Ammunition stored in Israel to be used on targets in Gaza? Nixon had the sense to avoid being drawn into a regional conflict. So too did Reagan. This time may prove more difficult. Before additional assets were sent into the area US Army personnel were already stationed in Israel. Their duties. Early warning and missile defence.
Nixon had the sense to avoid being drawn into a regional conflict.
(As but one example, see the USN's MQ8 Fire Scout)."A large share of the blame for what is now happening in the Middle East as a whole results from political decisions made by poorly educated European politicians over a century ago,"
I think they were pretty well educated TBH - but they were trying to make sense out of the collapse of the Turkish Empire - and, of course, to push their own national agendas. I don't think anyone wanted a large, dominating leadership in the area to replace the Turks. And the individual local groups - Egyptians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Arabs, etc etc all wanted a piece of the cake for themselves. This was the time when Europe was also split into fragments of the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish Empires - with the Balkans mess still a headache even now.
The issue in both areas is that over several millennia different ethnic and religious groups are intermingled on the ground - and if they can't get on with each other (Ulster anyone?) then mayhem ensues.
I think they were pretty well educated TBH - but they were trying to make sense out of the collapse of the Turkish Empire - and, of course, to push their own national agendas. I don't think anyone wanted a large, dominating leadership in the area to replace the Turks. And the individual local groups - Egyptians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Arabs, etc etc all wanted a piece of the cake for themselves. This was the time when Europe was also split into fragments of the Austro-Hungarian and Turkish Empires - with the Balkans mess still a headache even now.
The issue in both areas is that over several millennia different ethnic and religious groups are intermingled on the ground - and if they can't get on with each other (Ulster anyone?) then mayhem ensues.
I got to float around the Eastern Med for a while (as our ship awaited calls for naval gunfire support) during that period. A friend of mine (USMC, Phrog pilot) had an RPG go through his aircraft without exploding.
Reagan didn't quite avoid getting involved.
Last edited by Lonewolf_50; 3rd Nov 2023 at 15:38.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Kuwaiti paper Al-Jarida reports writes that head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force E. Qaani has given the green light for Hezbollah to join the war against Israel.
He met with Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah on Tuesday in Beirut to support his ultimatum to Israel.
He met with Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah on Tuesday in Beirut to support his ultimatum to Israel.
One wonders if that's a guess by the reporter, or if he's got a source inside who fed him that.
Not much of a surprise, though, if true.
Not much of a surprise, though, if true.
Last edited by Lonewolf_50; 3rd Nov 2023 at 15:50.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Well the Iranians’ might have given permission, but Hezbullah didn’t bite if the speech this afternoon was anything to go by - lots of waffle but no action.
Meanwhile….
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RFAArgus at anchor off Lady's Mile beach 🇨🇾Limassol this morning.
2 x @845NAS Merlin Mk4s on deck
Via @LogiconLtd