MRH-90 crash Australia
Bull****. Keep digging that hole...
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The rumour maker - at the time the rumour was transmitted to me - did not know the names of the crew. This is a rumour network. Some rumoured definitions - more to be found if interested:
"a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth" [oxford]
OR
"an unofficial interesting story or piece of news that might be true or invented..." https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...english/rumour
"a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth" [oxford]
OR
"an unofficial interesting story or piece of news that might be true or invented..." https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...english/rumour
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The rumour maker - at the time the rumour was transmitted to me - did not know the names of the crew. This is a rumour network. Some rumoured definitions - more to be found if interested:
"a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth" [oxford]
OR
"an unofficial interesting story or piece of news that might be true or invented..." https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...english/rumour
"a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth" [oxford]
OR
"an unofficial interesting story or piece of news that might be true or invented..." https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...english/rumour
Shame on you.
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Yeah, 'Prune is a rumour network, and even speculation has its' place here in making people consider how they may react to that speculative cause. But when you ignore published facts that are available to you - and then double down on it - it makes you nothing more than an A-grade cockwomble. Like I said, keep digging that hole.
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It seems 'odd' to mean that my rumour post was deemed to be disrespectful. As my subsequent posts demonstrated that was not my intention; but I guess not made clear enough until 'NLH' accused me of speaking ill of the dead. In my time in the RAN FAA - some fifty years ago now - aircrew spoke directly and no one took offence when it was about safety and flying. I would not know what a loadmaster does in a TAIPAN. It seems to me for whatever reason the helo hit the water fast & hard as demonstrated by the wreckage. Fact checking rumours is not what I do; however I will 'wirebrush' the originator. As for 'that hole'. Cor Blimey. We type on a keyboard looking at a screen (I don't have or use a mobile phone) that is all.
People are offended because you are making ill-informed and uneducated posts about a crash in which others lost mates. If you can't see how unhelpful and disrespectful your posts are, I suggest you take a break from the internet before you piss even more people off.
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Far be it for me as a mere Pom to pass comment on this thread, but might I suggest that the slagging should stop and that youse all blow the froth off a couple of coldies to the memory of fallen mates?
Hooroo!
Hooroo!
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Spaz, I love ya man, but I think you were a bit tone deaf there.
RIP the crew.
Night Spatial Disorientation over water killed more than one of my colleagues over the years, and it also led to a few non-fatal accidents as well.
(there was an SH-60B in San Diego affectionately referred to as "skippy" that figured in one such).
RIP the crew.
Night Spatial Disorientation over water killed more than one of my colleagues over the years, and it also led to a few non-fatal accidents as well.
(there was an SH-60B in San Diego affectionately referred to as "skippy" that figured in one such).
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RIP crews and all condolences to their families, colleagues, mates...
Hope they find closure
Aside from 6th Regt, 5th also operates the MRH-90, (apart from CH-47F and pair of Toll AW139 ) and from what I have read at this juncture the 40 something Taipans grounded as matter of course. Also w.r.t FMS sale of UH-60M, the first deliveres should commence later this year to the AAAC.
All the best.
Hope they find closure
Aside from 6th Regt, 5th also operates the MRH-90, (apart from CH-47F and pair of Toll AW139 ) and from what I have read at this juncture the 40 something Taipans grounded as matter of course. Also w.r.t FMS sale of UH-60M, the first deliveres should commence later this year to the AAAC.
All the best.
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There is questions on the experience of the crew and the possibility of CFIT." Instead of stating that they were inexperienced. That is not really a rumour, it is an accusation
Inexperienced? Maybe, even highly experienced folk coming to a new role have to learn the ropes.
Get a grip chaps, have a beer as wisely suggested by Beagle.
Respectfully, don't agree. The poster, Spaz, in his post was quite specific it was "rumour", something that surrounds all accidents immediately after the event, always involves speculation and "what might have beens", a friend died in his jet in the '70's and to this day absolutely no one quite knows what happened, highly experienced instructor hit the water in CAVOK conditions with no ejection attempt. SAR crewman from my squadron went into the water and was winched out covered in blood, flesh and brains. Rumour and speculation abounds to this day.
Inexperienced? Maybe, even highly experienced folk coming to a new role have to learn the ropes.
Get a grip chaps, have a beer as wisely suggested by Beagle.
Inexperienced? Maybe, even highly experienced folk coming to a new role have to learn the ropes.
Get a grip chaps, have a beer as wisely suggested by Beagle.
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Respectfully, don't agree. The poster, Spaz, in his post was quite specific it was "rumour", something that surrounds all accidents immediately after the event, always involves speculation and "what might have beens", a friend died in his jet in the '70's and to this day absolutely no one quite knows what happened, highly experienced instructor hit the water in CAVOK conditions with no ejection attempt. SAR crewman from my squadron went into the water and was winched out covered in blood, flesh and brains. Rumour and speculation abounds to this day.
Inexperienced? Maybe, even highly experienced folk coming to a new role have to learn the ropes.
Get a grip chaps, have a beer as wisely suggested by Beagle.
Inexperienced? Maybe, even highly experienced folk coming to a new role have to learn the ropes.
Get a grip chaps, have a beer as wisely suggested by Beagle.
Afterall, what's the difference between me coming out and saying "I heard a rumour the loadies were getting it on in the back and that distracted the pilots and thats why they flew into the water!" True? Maybe. Possible? Certainly! Likely? Not a snowballs chance, and a bloody disgusting slight on the professionalism of 4 Army aviators without a single shred of evidence to back it up- and I say that as someone who has served in 1Avn back in the day...
What makes it worse, in Spaz' case is the crews names were available to him and he chose to ignore them and not fact-check his "rumour" because by his own admission, fact-checking is not something he does. As to the "why", well, that's up to him, but as someone who claims to be a former Defence aviator, I'd have thought he'd both show more professionalism and respect to a fellow crew who aren't here to defend themselves. I know I would have, but then again, maybe that's what separates AAAvn from the Pussers...
Just because someone says "It's a rumour" does not make it right. Sorry.
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maybe that's what separates AAAvn from the Pussers
My heart is with those family’s awaiting news from the MRH90 crash, my biggest fear realised for those loved ones. When ever (Name) is night flying, I can not fall asleep until I hear his car pull up in the driveway. Just heart breaking ❤️
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I think a lot of people would do well to remember the "Pub test".
If you would not say it to a bunch of people in the pub whilst being overheard by those at the tables around you then you would do well not to say it on PPrune.
I'd suggest that what Spaz has said from the comfort of his anonymous armchair could easily have earned him a smack in the face if he'd said it in the pub - depending on who was at the table next to him.
I was particularly irritated by his comment that "I would not know what a loadmaster does in a TAIPAN." but yet he felt able to accuse them of being inexperienced!?
I also am reminded of the idea that "i've heard a rumour" is the equivalent of a journo' quoting "sources close to..." - meaning "I've made it up".
Common decency seems to be a little less common than it used to be.
OH - Out.
If you would not say it to a bunch of people in the pub whilst being overheard by those at the tables around you then you would do well not to say it on PPrune.
I'd suggest that what Spaz has said from the comfort of his anonymous armchair could easily have earned him a smack in the face if he'd said it in the pub - depending on who was at the table next to him.
I was particularly irritated by his comment that "I would not know what a loadmaster does in a TAIPAN." but yet he felt able to accuse them of being inexperienced!?
I also am reminded of the idea that "i've heard a rumour" is the equivalent of a journo' quoting "sources close to..." - meaning "I've made it up".
Common decency seems to be a little less common than it used to be.
OH - Out.
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Not the first thread on PPrune to be hijacked by keyboard warriors and armchair quarterbacks who again have amply demonstrated a stunning lack of research and basic knowledge of how a modern age military air wing conducts operations.
To choose a thread to hold there pathetic spatt that involves a loss of lives is unforgivable and disrespectful.
Pull your heads in and remember that people who were loved and are now never coming home again were lost before you take another bravery pill and type stuff you would never ever actually say in real life.
It is called respect, learn some, and think of the families before posting more needless crap, and a play by play account of the ongoing recovery operation.
To choose a thread to hold there pathetic spatt that involves a loss of lives is unforgivable and disrespectful.
Pull your heads in and remember that people who were loved and are now never coming home again were lost before you take another bravery pill and type stuff you would never ever actually say in real life.
It is called respect, learn some, and think of the families before posting more needless crap, and a play by play account of the ongoing recovery operation.
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@Skeleton: good points
Speculation regarding the crew is disrespectful.
Without the FDR, at this stage it is looking like a CFIT or SD related incident.
Perhaps some consideration should be given to why.
How could the equipment they were using possibly have contributed to them becoming SD?
Without the FDR, at this stage it is looking like a CFIT or SD related incident.
Perhaps some consideration should be given to why.
How could the equipment they were using possibly have contributed to them becoming SD?
I was particularly irritated by his comment that "I would not know what a loadmaster does in a TAIPAN." but yet he felt able to accuse them of being inexperienced!
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