MRH-90 crash Australia
MRH-90 down in northern Queensland. 4 crew missing. Was participating in Talisman Sabre.
With the crash only a few months ago and blackhawks incoming expect a permanent grounding of these aircraft will be initiated https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-...days/102663620 |
Sad news as always.
The MRH-90 has had it's shares of issues, and has been considered a program of concern for some time, much of which relates to the OEM more than the helicopter itself. The engines have been involved in a number of incidents, according to public domain information. Night 2-ship overwater at anything near low level comes with it's own risks. The incidents that have been reported to date for the NH-90 really don't show a specific area of repetitive causation, most are related to operational risk issues that affect all helicopters equally. The guys flying these things, like all helo pilots, operate in a demanding and unforgiving environment particularly at night. |
Sad to hear of another ditching with this type, especially at night. Whilst the waters are warm in that area the tides are very strong.
As ex army aviation I'm still hoping for the best for the crew. |
Originally Posted by Godknows
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Sad to hear of another ditching with this type, especially at night. Whilst the waters are warm in that area the tides are very strong.
As ex army aviation I'm still hoping for the best for the crew. |
Not wishing to get pedantic with the media reporting, which can be woeful at best, but don’t the army fly the NH90 and the navy fly the MRH90? Or is that my mistake?
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Originally Posted by Nescafe
(Post 11475760)
Not wishing to get pedantic with the media reporting, which can be woeful at best, but don’t the army fly the NH90 and the navy fly the MRH90? Or is that my mistake?
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Originally Posted by Nescafe
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Not wishing to get pedantic with the media reporting, which can be woeful at best, but don’t the army fly the NH90 and the navy fly the MRH90? Or is that my mistake?
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Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11475722)
MRH-90 down in northern Queensland. 4 crew missing. Was participating in Talisman Sabre.
With the crash only a few months ago and blackhawks incoming expect a permanent grounding of these aircraft will be initiated https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-...days/102663620 Rattman, I truly wish I had your insight and knowledge to draw parallels between 2 separate accidents, before both have been fully examined. Permanent grounding would seem a big call to those who don’t have the same incredible crash investigation conduct and completion ability as yourself. I do hope that you share your report with both the ADF and the ATSB. |
Originally Posted by Doors Off
(Post 11475803)
Rattman, I truly wish I had your insight and knowledge to draw parallels between 2 separate accidents, before both have been fully examined. Permanent grounding would seem a big call to those who don’t have the same incredible crash investigation conduct and completion ability as yourself. I do hope that you share your report with both the ADF and the ATSB.
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Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11475815)
Dont have to be a patronising asshole. The first of the blackhawks will be delivered this year why bother trying to keep flying something that is already on its way out. Why continue to fly something that in 12 months will be gone. My personal opinion is that they will permanently grounded. 5th aviation will continue to operate Ch-47 and its 2 AW-189. I know 3 5th aviation pilots, of course I haven't talked to them because they are out on exercise, i think this is the nail in airframes coffin
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Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11475815)
Dont have to be a patronising asshole. The first of the blackhawks will be delivered this year why bother trying to keep flying something that is already on its way out. Why continue to fly something that in 12 months will be gone.
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A wise senior once said to me " Never ground an aircraft type until you understand what will have to be done to unground it".
There is no reported evidence of cause, so far, so no reported evidence of any need to stop flying . N |
Originally Posted by Bengo
(Post 11475954)
A wise senior once said to me " Never ground an aircraft type until you understand what will have to be done to unground it".
There is no reported evidence of cause, so far, so no reported evidence of any need to stop flying . N |
MRH 90 loss
Looking at the accident history of this helicopter as presented in this link ( https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/type/NH90 ), it hardly calls for a fleet grounding.
It does in fact seem that several of the accidents may have been the result of some indelicate manipulation of the controls rather than the machine falling out of the sky. |
Normal military procedure, unless it has changed since my time, to ground that aircraft type if there is a serious incident or accident.
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Originally Posted by finestkind
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Normal military procedure, unless it has changed since my time, to ground that aircraft type if there is a serious incident or accident.
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We will all wait and see. Last time, it's hard to blame the pilot, when the engine/gearbox blows up. The cause of this one will be known too.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-...hing/102201316 Defence grounded the army's entire Taipan fleet after an MRH-90 suffered an engine failure and ditched during a training exercise |
Families have approved the public release of names.
Captain Daniel Lyon, Lieutenant Maxwell Nugent, Warrant Officer Class Two Joseph Laycock and Corporal Alexander Naggs, all members of the 6th Aviation Regiment, RIP |
RIP the crew. This is a rumour network - so here goes: "Two junior pilots and two inexperienced loadies, flew into the sea at cruise speed, so I have been told."
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Speculation doesn’t help
How many hours does one need to be experienced and have you considered the quality of the hours flown versus the quantity? LT and CPL maybe, CAPT and WO2 I doubt.
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