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Old 21st Aug 2023, 20:27
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Polands 96 Apache purchase approved.

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It would appear Russia has dropped another cigarette in a chemical warehouse

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Although I gather some users may have difficulty using Reddit links, I think the aviation context of this one makes it worth posting for those able to see it. If there are any ex-spurts out there who can tell me how to ensure that all viewers get to see it, please let me know:
The translated Russian commentary says: "shall we help him?", "no, he'll figure something out"
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I don't have Reddit and it viewed for me.
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Good analysis of Robotyne.


Amidst russia's attempt to downplay Robotyne as a negligible village in what seems like a damage control attempt, they often emphasize the size of the settlement or its population. They conveniently overlook mentioning the actual scale of allocated resources to keep that village, a crucial aspect surpassing the village's mere physicality on a map.

I'll refrain from asserting that russian lines are on the brink of collapse and their forces defeated – it's unfortunate that their units successfully executed a tactical retreat, averting encirclement and potential neutralization. The effectiveness of minefields, fortifications, anti-tank trenches, and similar engineering obstacles becomes significant only when they are adequately manned and remain under fire control.

Unfortunately, their retreat affords them the opportunity to maintain the presence of manned trenches and supervised minefields. However, the exact count and resource availability involved remains uncertain. Considering the available open-source loss data, it's apparent that Russian forces are experiencing a continued degradation of troops, potentially necessitating the deployment of supplementary troops to rectify the deteriorating situation.


If russians were to pursue this as their next move, the remaining question pertains to whether Ukraine has the necessary forces to build upon the achieved success – a question to which I currently lack an answer. Nonetheless, this stands as an important development, and russia's attempt to undermine its significance only serves as evidence that things aren't so great as russians want to portray.





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BREAKING:

The U.S. State Department has announced it has approved Poland’s request to buy 96 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters for a maximum of USD 12 billion.
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Originally Posted by Thud_and_Blunder
Although I gather some users may have difficulty using Reddit links, I think the aviation context of this one makes it worth posting for those able to see it. If there are any ex-spurts out there who can tell me how to ensure that all viewers get to see it, please let me know:
The translated Russian commentary says: "shall we help him?", "no, he'll figure something out"
When the new window opens, don't choose the option "view in app", select the "not now" option.
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Now I have no knowledge what type of blanks you are referring to, but the blanks I've worked with are 7,62x39 with a tip made of balsa wood. The BFA stops the balsa bullet, breaks it and guides the pieces sideways. Having a balsa bullet hitting you at 700m/s from 10 meters from the gun would certainly kill you, not to mention 5 to 10 rounds in a burst. And that is exactly how the blanks are treated, as lethal as any round.
Blanks may well injure at close range if fired without a BFA fitted but are far less likely to kill as a) the propellant content/muzzle energy is a lot less that than a standard round and b) there will probably be only one (others have already pointed out the weapon will not automatically recock).
Far more dangerous is the situation where someone fires live rounds. If the BFA is the type that screws into the flash eliminator, the first round will strip the threads and blow it off and then its just a normal gun. Not sure what happens with BFAs that grab the barrel externally but I doubt that they are designed to stop live rounds.

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Same in Canada to the best of my limited knowledge.
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Not sure what blanks you are referring to but UK military blank rounds have no "projectile", balsa or otherwise. The ends of the cartridges are just crimped.
https://talesfromthesupplydepot.blog...-blank-rounds/
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
FUMR has begun that on JB, but if I may focus on the military, aviation and campaign planning ramifications of that as the true war aim.

1. I believe him...
2. If one has those aims,..
3. Or Ukraine will have to run out of men and material and not be able to fight. <==== That is what he seems to be pinning his hopes upon.
And that boils down to a poor strategy since he is relying on hope as a method.
As the Chief of Staff of our Army (General Sullivan) once pointed out: hope is not a method.

I'll ask those with some expertise in the matter: what change in plan and implementation can Mr Medvedev summon up to meet those war aims (presuming that he is one day in charge of things, as he once was).
Anyone have an idea?
How does Russia apply their means at hand to achieve those ends?

I am not sure that they are achievable at this point. Could someone provide Mr Medvedev with a memo?
Medvedev is describing where the existential threat to Russia and the Russian Federation emanates from, it is Moscow, The Kremlin, and Medvedev and the rest of the sycophants of Putin.
Russia has a viable series of treaties out of 1991, at the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and has taken every opportunity to reverse that position. At each attempt, they have made more enemies and ensured long term destabilising of their own society, even with the built in tolerance stemming from the brutalising of their population for a millennia. In Ukraine, the closest to success is a continued guerrilla war, and that could result in a civil war being ignited, Medvedev & Co have facilitated the means ad justifications for a popular uprising against their own interests through their incompetence and brutality to their own population. Having selectively concentrated their abuse on the provinces, they have opened up lines of division which seems short sighted. Medvedev's comments further reinforce the real threat that remains beyond Ukraine to former CIS states, and to the former soviet block countries.

If there is a threat to Russia, it is home grown.

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Brandon Lee when making The Crow. Ok not exactly a blank, but a blank with enough power to force out the previous squib that was stuck in the barrel

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Argonatical. See post 4159.
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On Reddit so apologies for those unable to view:

"Russian armored assault column of 6 getting annihilated by UA mines, artillery, javelins and clusters. Also RU troops dismounting and friendly fire from RU tank (different perspective of assault)"

An interesting clip in that it appears to show blue on blue from one of the disabled Russian tanks firing at another disabled Russian tank in front of it (right of frame). It appears to be either targeting the rear of the tank or the crew fleeing the vehicle @c 1:10. Most odd.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota..._of_6_getting/
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy
That visual reference to OGPU in #4167 is a chilling echo from the past.
Not just OGPU. The first part, Vchk, is a reference to OGPU's predecessor, the Cheka, from which the still-current nickname for KGB/FSB staff "Chekist".

To give it it's full name: All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage.

Chilling, indeed.

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I hope I'm not alone in hoping for more information about blank ammunition. Fascinating.
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WAR TROPHIES RETURN TO THE FRONTLINE. Fighting Russians With their own Weapons

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Originally Posted by MightyGem
Not sure what blanks you are referring to but UK military blank rounds have no "projectile", balsa or otherwise. The ends of the cartridges are just crimped.
https://talesfromthesupplydepot.blog...-blank-rounds/
These I am referring to.




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Blanks may well injure at close range if fired without a BFA fitted but are far less likely to kill as a) the propellant content/muzzle energy is a lot less that than a standard round and b) there will probably be only one (others have already pointed out the weapon will not automatically recock).
Far more dangerous is the situation where someone fires live rounds. If the BFA is the type that screws into the flash eliminator, the first round will strip the threads and blow it off and then its just a normal gun. Not sure what happens with BFAs that grab the barrel externally but I doubt that they are designed to stop live rounds.
live rounds are always more dangerous than blanks, I am not sure why even discussing this. However, blanks may well kill you, especially the ones above sending a wooden tip and that may recock your RK62 or AK47.
Firing a live one with BFA fitted breaks the full metal jacket and fragments keep moving onwards. There was an accident in 2018 where a soldier was wounded in an exercise to head and legs by the fragments as there was accidentally one FMJ round amongst blanks and the BFA was fitted. Distance was 10 to 20 meters.

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So in summary - Russian blanks = blue tip with balsa projectile: UK/NATO blanks = crimped end no projectile. Time to get back to the war
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NEW: Despite Western sanctions, companies in EU and NATO countries -- inc. Germany, the Netherlands, Finland and Estonia -- have been re-exporting Texas Instruments and Analog Devices microchips to Russia. These chips are used in Russian weapons systems.

Texas Instruments microchips have been recovered from the wreckage of Russia's Kinzhal cruise missile. There are other military applications for this technology, too, as per an excellent report at https://static.rusi.org/RUSI-Silicon...-final-web.pdf

All of this data is readily available on Russian customs declarations. So these violations are hiding in plain sight. What's more, a number of the export companies we investigated have a history of selling products to Russian MoD- and FSB-connected entities.

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Short circuit. How Europe turns a blind eye to Russia smuggling dual-use microchips
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💥 Russia: Multiple drone strikes this night in the Moscow area. This one in Krasnogorsk.
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