Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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I wasn’t thinking that you were attacking me, sorry if it sounded that way, far from it, input helps one tailor the content.
I was trying to explain that although I post a myriad of posts on the war somewhere along the line someone somewhere may think one is spending to much time on one subject, say maps as an example, no one wants to just see map after map after map, and they may think that one is not giving enough coverage on another part of the war. It will be the same for all of us. I do sometimes throttle back for fear I am posting too much btw.
Luckily the likes of Orac etc seems to fill the holes as do other posters.
I try to give a rounded look at what is going on and hopefully people can build a picture of what is going on.
One pet hate I have on Twitter is when people post “ Ukraine has advanced on some village etc” in English then post a map beside it with everything on it in Ukrainian leaving you to guess which village is which and where they are in the bigger picture of the area.
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I was trying to explain that although I post a myriad of posts on the war somewhere along the line someone somewhere may think one is spending to much time on one subject, say maps as an example, no one wants to just see map after map after map, and they may think that one is not giving enough coverage on another part of the war. It will be the same for all of us. I do sometimes throttle back for fear I am posting too much btw.
Luckily the likes of Orac etc seems to fill the holes as do other posters.
I try to give a rounded look at what is going on and hopefully people can build a picture of what is going on.
One pet hate I have on Twitter is when people post “ Ukraine has advanced on some village etc” in English then post a map beside it with everything on it in Ukrainian leaving you to guess which village is which and where they are in the bigger picture of the area.
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Last edited by NutLoose; 24th Jul 2023 at 17:13.
Not what I would expect from an aviation site.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Onyx missiles might have been the target during this morning attack on Crimea.
Sources of the local underground "Crimean partisans" report that a batch of P-800 Onyx rockets was destroyed in an ammunition warehouse in the Dzhankoy district.
Sources of the local underground "Crimean partisans" report that a batch of P-800 Onyx rockets was destroyed in an ammunition warehouse in the Dzhankoy district.
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This issue of maps that the media (all media) presents is a bit daft to me. For those of us who are following the war there is a one and only way to visually 'see' Ukraine: everything else falls far far short, as in not even close. The Rondeli Foundation from Georgia has been posting drawings of the front lines every few days since the beginning of the war, their first map was Feb 24, 2022. They are all available for viewing on their site:
https ://gfsis.org.ge/russian-monitor/view/3543
https ://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1lscRK6ehG0l2V-XvJ16nsyblMsQ&ll=49.13769808196173%2C35.04776001289064&z=6
The Rondeli/Google Earth method gives such a superior, finer detailed, presentation that I hardly ever even look at other "maps" of Ukraine. Over the months the Rondeli lines have proven themselves very accurate. Most other internet maps are of such large scale that their 'lines' are vague anyway.
And the Rondeli lines offer the KML file so that you can import the front line(s) into the map of your choice, the far and away best choice being Google Earth because it's not really a map but a satellite photo.
To save a lot of trouble I'll provide all the front line drawings here in this file: https ://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rbc52bfjwsdrtboevsviu/Ukraine-Front-Lines.kmz?rlkey=go44wk6owvwchqr5jiejzdldn&dl=0
I generally only leave the last three or four turned on to prevent clutter, but it's easy to turn older lines on to see movements over months. Turning them all on at once gives a unique picture of the progress of the war.
I don't mind at all if they post the name in Ukrainian, Google will usually pick the right location although there are times when multiple towns with the same name show up. What I mind is when locations are taken from Russian sources: in that case the names given are in Russian and in fact are often given in a politicized version of the Russian version either to support Russian claims of sovereignty or just to insult Ukraine. So the locations are impossible to find.
I would like to see Russian propaganda banned here, but I guess I am alone in that view.
https ://gfsis.org.ge/russian-monitor/view/3543
https ://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1lscRK6ehG0l2V-XvJ16nsyblMsQ&ll=49.13769808196173%2C35.04776001289064&z=6
The Rondeli/Google Earth method gives such a superior, finer detailed, presentation that I hardly ever even look at other "maps" of Ukraine. Over the months the Rondeli lines have proven themselves very accurate. Most other internet maps are of such large scale that their 'lines' are vague anyway.
And the Rondeli lines offer the KML file so that you can import the front line(s) into the map of your choice, the far and away best choice being Google Earth because it's not really a map but a satellite photo.
To save a lot of trouble I'll provide all the front line drawings here in this file: https ://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rbc52bfjwsdrtboevsviu/Ukraine-Front-Lines.kmz?rlkey=go44wk6owvwchqr5jiejzdldn&dl=0
I generally only leave the last three or four turned on to prevent clutter, but it's easy to turn older lines on to see movements over months. Turning them all on at once gives a unique picture of the progress of the war.
I would like to see Russian propaganda banned here, but I guess I am alone in that view.
Russia attacks grain stores at River Danube ports
On the Beeb website.
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Russian drones have attacked Ukrainian ports on the River Danube, destroying grain storage infrastructure, local officials say.
The facilities are just across the river from Nato-member Romania.
The facilities are just across the river from Nato-member Romania.
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I would like to see Russian propaganda banned here, but I guess I am alone in that view.
Good afternoon Nutty:
As a self professed 'Lurker" please continue with your posts and yes I can understand that some posters dislike the ruzzian B*^&#^(T but you are right in the both sides view because it gives us in the west insight in how the ruzzian think that is if I may insert "think" in this sentence. In addition of note ORAC and FDR thank you as well for your postings! Maybe some more OHS issues will continue with careless smoking and not wearing Fall Arrest gear near six story windows.....
As a self professed 'Lurker" please continue with your posts and yes I can understand that some posters dislike the ruzzian B*^&#^(T but you are right in the both sides view because it gives us in the west insight in how the ruzzian think that is if I may insert "think" in this sentence. In addition of note ORAC and FDR thank you as well for your postings! Maybe some more OHS issues will continue with careless smoking and not wearing Fall Arrest gear near six story windows.....
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As for your example: the beginning of the Ukrainian attempt to take Robotyne began on June 8th and as of Saturday according to Rondeli, they have yet to enter the city limits. So all claims of Ukrainian 'capturing' Robotyne have been lies, probably by well meaning (from our POV) but quite deluded fanboys of war.
Again, I have been asked in the past to post some of their TV shows, I know a lot of it will be pure bull****, but somewhere in a middle ground between both sides propaganda will be a grain of truth. Also without posting it you only get a one sided view of what is going on and the mentality of the opposition and the state of the brainwashing going on to the Russian public’s perception.
Still, this is the power of propaganda.
ie duping (sorry, no other way to put it) the dupes.
I'd qualify that by adding that the copious amounts of Ukrainan propaganda is in no way innocent of such trickery either.
If as has been suggested that Wagner have a go at Poland, my initial thought is that Poland should be able to deal with the matter themselves without Poland Triggering Article 5.
Would the NATO Assembly trigger it for them? Or another NATO member?
My initial thought is that Poland would want to handle this themselves and destroy Wagner completely.
As they are mercenaries, are they subject to the same protections under the Geneva Convention? Are they classed as civilians / irregular troops or do mercenaries have their own classification.
I can't see at lower ranks the Poles giving them much in the way ofprotection, an easy time.
We may have discussed this before, but as they may stupidly strike through Belarus do the rules change?
Would the NATO Assembly trigger it for them? Or another NATO member?
My initial thought is that Poland would want to handle this themselves and destroy Wagner completely.
As they are mercenaries, are they subject to the same protections under the Geneva Convention? Are they classed as civilians / irregular troops or do mercenaries have their own classification.
I can't see at lower ranks the Poles giving them much in the way of
We may have discussed this before, but as they may stupidly strike through Belarus do the rules change?
If as has been suggested that Wagner have a go at Poland, my initial thought is that Poland should be able to deal with the matter themselves without Poland Triggering Article 5.
Would the NATO Assembly trigger it for them? Or another NATO member?
My initial thought is that Poland would want to handle this themselves and destroy Wagner completely.
As they are mercenaries, are they subject to the same protections under the Geneva Convention? Are they classed as civilians / irregular troops or do mercenaries have their own classification.
I can't see at lower ranks the Poles giving them much in the way ofprotection, an easy time.
We may have discussed this before, but as they may stupidly strike through Belarus do the rules change?
Would the NATO Assembly trigger it for them? Or another NATO member?
My initial thought is that Poland would want to handle this themselves and destroy Wagner completely.
As they are mercenaries, are they subject to the same protections under the Geneva Convention? Are they classed as civilians / irregular troops or do mercenaries have their own classification.
I can't see at lower ranks the Poles giving them much in the way of
We may have discussed this before, but as they may stupidly strike through Belarus do the rules change?
A certain American General made much of his early reputation by pursuing Mexican Bandits back across the border to Mexico and attacking them there. You may have heard of him - his name was Patton
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Nutloose; please keep posting those clips of the Russian TV. Apart from giving an insight into Russian thinking (is that an oxymoron?) they provide a little much-needed humour.
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I don't know if they would pursue them back into Belarus, but I'd bet pretty good money that they'd have zero qualms about air attacks on the supply dumps, staging areas, etc. in Belarus.
A certain American General made much of his early reputation by pursuing Mexican Bandits back across the border to Mexico and attacking them there. You may have heard of him - his name was Patton
A certain American General made much of his early reputation by pursuing Mexican Bandits back across the border to Mexico and attacking them there. You may have heard of him - his name was Patton
I know that Patton was an unashamed and quite creative braggart, but I've never heard of any claims about the Pershing raid. Can you tell us about "his early reputation"?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Over 50 Cargo Ships are currently Anchored in the Danube River between Ukraine and Romania with most waiting for the Ports of Reni and Izmail in the Odesa Region of Ukraine to Reopen for Grain Shipment after they suffered a number of Strikes by Russia Shahed-136 “Kamikaze” Attack Drones….
Footage of Ships along the Danube.
Footage of Ships along the Danube.
Not a misquote.
I'm sure Putin is behind it. I believe the Tweet you gave us a link to above is a misquote. The English translation of Putin was: ""The western territories of Poland are a gift from Stalin to the Poles", I believe he actually said 'from Stalin to the Ukrainians'.
https://twitter.com/warinukraineua/s...86208867885056
https://twitter.com/warinukraineua/s...86208867885056
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