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Old 15th May 2023, 19:49
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Is that likely to have automatic support by the public and governmental/military organisations? If there was widespread opposition could it be crushed internally or would Moscow have to impose it by force, assuming they have the forces available to do so?
If the annexation / anschluss scenario is being considered, it is classical displacement activity. It could conceivably bring long term advantage to the two unequal parts, but their problems are short term.
In old Luka's case, very short term I suspect.
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Margarita Simonyan explained that those targets don't constitute the red lines that shouldn't be crossed….
Well, her arms have certainly been crossed but maybe she thinks that it gives her some embonpoint?
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Another Storm Shadow hit being reported in Luhansk on the former Ukraine's National Guards military unit base, though for the weapon supposedly used the building appears relatively intact.
NB: the URL here was deleted because I don't yet have the right to post URLs!...
I apologise in advance if I've missed something, but how is Ukraine launching Stormshadow (or one of its variants?) - from aicraft or from some type of land vehicle?
Thanks in advance for any info.

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Originally Posted by jeallen01
I apologise in advance if I've missed something, but how is Ukraine launching Stormshadow (or one of its variants?) - from aicraft or from some type of land vehicle?
Thanks in advance for any info.
They use 50m of tightly twisted WRAF knicker elastic attached to a catapult on a launch ramp mounted on a HiLux.
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Old 15th May 2023, 21:43
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Old 15th May 2023, 21:45
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Originally Posted by jeallen01
I apologise in advance if I've missed something, but how is Ukraine launching Stormshadow (or one of its variants?) - from aicraft or from some type of land vehicle?
Thanks in advance for any info.
We don’t know that they have been used yet.
Earlier comments at the time of the announcement to supply stated that work had already been done to integrate on Mig 29.
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Old 16th May 2023, 07:09
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
Is that likely to have automatic support by the public and governmental/military organisations? If there was widespread opposition could it be crushed internally or would Moscow have to impose it by force, assuming they have the forces available to do so?
As if public support has any relevance! But there has already been public opposition to Lukashenko, so his retirement on health grounds would surely be welcomed, no?

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Old 16th May 2023, 07:23
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Lukashenko (Lukashenka in Belarus) has reappeared well, but with a bandaged wrist and hand. He has put the country on high alert as planes started falling out of nearby Russian skies.
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Old 16th May 2023, 07:48
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Originally Posted by IlyaMuromets
As if public support has any relevance! But there has already been public opposition to Lukashenko, so his retirement on health grounds would surely be welcomed, no?IM
Whether that event is to be welcomed or not rather depends on what comes next. When Lukashenko 'retires' or dies where does the country go? Is there a nominated successor with a strong enough powerbase to maintain dictatorial control? Does it quietly accept direct rule from Moscow with any troublemakers dealt with in the customary fashion? Or could public opposition be a trigger for serious unrest with the people looking enviously westward? With Putin's authority seemingly draining away over the Ukraine debacle none of this seems clear at all.
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It is to heavy for the Mig 29, it is believed it is being carried by either the SU 27 or SU24 as they are able to carry the weight. As for proof that it was a storm shadow used, well they published this picture of parts found at the scene.





And if you look you can see it is a mounting lug





The Ukrainian Air Force’s MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter jets and Su-25 Frogfoot attack jets are likely unable to carry the Storm Shadow. Each missile weighs around almost 2,900 pounds. The heaviest weapons routinely carried by the MiG-29 and Su-25 are only around 1,100 pounds each. The heaviest-lifting stores pylons on the Frogfoot can only accommodate weapons of 1,100 pounds, and heavier weapons are rarely ever seen on early-model MiG-29s.This would seem to suggest that the Su-27 Flanker fighter jet and/or the Su-24 Fencer strike aircraft would be the likely candidates as Storm Shadow shooters. These larger aircraft have much greater payload capacities and the Su-24, in particular, can routinely carry weapons of over 3,300 pounds each.

To what degree work has been completed to integrate the Storm Shadow on the aircraft that will carry it into combat is unclear. In theory, however, the process shouldn’t be too onerous, with the Storm Shadow missile being preprogrammed with target coordinates before flight, meaning there is no need for an interface allowing the aircraft to feed data in before launch.

The missile’s range also promises to overhaul the strike capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force in general, although much will depend on how many of these expensive weapons have actually been supplied. Each Storm Shadow is thought to cost around $2.5 million and, although an upgrade program is underway, the United Kingdom is already planning to replace these weapons, meaning they will become surplus to requirements from around 2030, in any case.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...lem-for-russia

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Old 16th May 2023, 09:24
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Another Storm Shadow hit being reported in Luhansk on the former Ukraine's National Guards military unit base, though for the weapon supposedly used the building appears relatively intact.
Originally Posted by NutLoose
It is to heavy for the Mig 29, it is believed it is being carried by either the SU 27 or SU24 as they are able to carry the weight.
Thx to Nutloose and the others who have responded with some rinteresting & elevant info - and also to the others who've given me a few good laughs!
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They'reeee getting worrieeed

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Could have been their Officer being sort of "Fragged"
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Well, you are in a group of three Russian soldiers and the first gets hit by a dropped grenade, what do you do?

Answer: you take his weapon, then steal his IFAK (Immediate Use First Aid Kit) thus rendering him unable to help himself and abandon him.

Ahhh.... who would be a Russian soldier...

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Old 16th May 2023, 10:45
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Ukraine using their Su-24 seems the most likely fit for SS launching, there was evidence they sent a Su-24 to Poland just before Christmas with a view to the Poles helping with re-config/re-work to be able to make use of NATO stand-off weapons systems.
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Big attack on Kyiv last night. Ukraine claims to have destroyed all 18 incoming missiles including six Kinzhal; Russia claims to have taken out a Patriot battery (but then they would):

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Big attack on Kyiv last night. Ukraine claims to have destroyed all 18 incoming missiles including six Kinzhal; Russia claims to have taken out a Patriot battery (but then they would):
Osinitdefender is a straight up liar, he post any rubbish including when he knows its rubbish. He posted that Admiral Makarov had been hit and sunk, when called it out on it claimed it was an april 1st joke. Just a prank bro, he also posted something and said " extremely unconfirmed " ie just making **** up
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Old 16th May 2023, 11:53
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Well, you are in a group of three Russian soldiers and the first gets hit by a dropped grenade, what do you do?
Personally I'd look up

...and it's so strange that nobody ever seems to do that in these videos
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300th combat sortie completed... keep safe and keep going, look at the size of that watch.

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Originally Posted by Sue Vêtements
Personally I'd look up

...and it's so strange that nobody ever seems to do that in these videos
Since these drone grenades are often adapted mortar-bombs, it's probably much more likely that they would expect it was fired from a mortar that they wouldn't be able to see, hence no point in looking, and definitely not above. Just my speculation.
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